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Elon Musk is quite cotroversial figure for Europe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk_salute_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk_salute_co

• zuzululu 4mo ago
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  • wqaatwt 4mo ago
    > won majority of UK are being accused of being far right, nazi, russian. Labour? I don’t think many people call Starmer any of those things..
  • anon7000 4mo ago
    Hm. Unfortunately, nationalistic movements and nazis objectively have share some common ground. If the basic premise of your political movement is “I hate foreigners,” you’re inviting a level of hateful thinking and on some level inciting & encouraging some very raw and aggressive emotions among people who also hate foreigners deep down. Nazi Germany is a deeply sad example of what happens when that kind of thinking gets normalized for too long, and the right people figure out how to manipulate a divided society to assume absolute power. So tell me, why shouldn’t we call out political movements that on the surface, appear to be heading down a path that leads to deeply sad situations? We should absolutely not assume that humans are all better now and could never become that hateful again. Are they Russian linked? Well, I’d love if there was some good investigative journalism about it, because I’m not very familiar with European politics. Just responding to the generalization you’re generalizing about. But don’t forget that Russia has been caught many times trying to destabilize western societies by inciting divisive movements, even just with social media bots. And it works, which is also sad.
    • geoka9 4mo ago
      They are Russian-linked: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfD_pro-Russia_movement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfD_pro-Russia_movement https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-germany-far-right-forum/33544077.html https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-germany-far-right-forum/33544...
  • bcye 4mo ago
    Well in that case however it’s anything but silly, with AfD chapters being classified as confirmed extremist right[1], holding its party congress on this very day, exactly 100 years after the NSDAP held an important congress focusing around Hitler and introducing the hitler salute[2], holding meetings to make plans about expelling German citizens[3], had an employee convicted of being a Chinese spy[4] just to cite a few. 1: https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/sachsen-anhalt-verfassungsschutz-stuft-afd-als-gesichert-rechtsextrem-ein-a-17e4108c-fcdc-47db-9440-19097757c1e8 https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/sachsen-anhalt-ve... 2: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesparteitag_der_AfD_2026#Datum https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesparteitag_der_AfD_2026#D... 3: https://www.dw.com/de/vertreibungs-pl%C3%A4ne-befeuern-debatte-um-afd/a-67964136 https://www.dw.com/de/vertreibungs-pl%C3%A4ne-befeuern-debat... 4: https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/innenpolitik/ex-mitarbeiter-krah-spionage-urteil-100.html https://www.tagesschau.de/inland/innenpolitik/ex-mitarbeiter...
  • watwut 4mo ago
    > I personally don't care much about politics Yeah, I dont care about politics, therefore conservatives cant be fascist. I dont care the label fits perfectly, I dont care they have similar goals and values. Important is, important is not to call them that. > I think you should be aware of how this looks when you keep parroting unsubstantiated talking points from the opposition party. They are well substantiated at this point. What is unsubstantiated is knee jerk "their opposition must be wrong, I dont care what is going on".