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A big percentage of the top grandmasters skip high school and almost none of them have went to college. They are “smart” in that they have the potential intelli
by kelipso 3mo ago
A big percentage of the top grandmasters skip high school and almost none of them have went to college. They are “smart” in that they have the potential intelligence to learn that stuff, as demonstrated by them having learned chess, but they have basically no knowledge of statistics, mathematics, plenty of other general knowledge topics.
From that point of view, you should really consider them to be as knowledgeable about these things as high school dropouts. It was hilarious following the whole cheating thing and seeing them try to interpret these statistical results and coming to really stupid conclusions.
You could say it’s difficult to see them this way due to the cultural and historical perspectives on chess but this is the reality of top grandmasters at this time.
- IAmGraydon 3mo ago>A big percentage of the top grandmasters skip high school and almost none of them have went to college. They are “smart” in that they have the potential intelligence to learn that stuff, as demonstrated by them having learned chess, but they have basically no knowledge of statistics, mathematics, plenty of other general knowledge topics. Source?
- traes 3mo agoRegarding general knowledge, it's a pretty well known phenomena within the community. Here's a video with the three players who spent the longest time at #2 in the world (see [0]) behind Magnus Carlsen answering basic trivia questions[1]. [0]: https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/1uk3wa3/world_no_2s_during_magnuss_unbroken_streak_as_no_1/ https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/1uk3wa3/world_no_2s_... [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXyLJaaLEpE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXyLJaaLEpE
- codechicago277 3mo agoThey mostly did very well, other than Levon Aronian not knowing some basic chemical formulas and Hikaru’s brain freezing on the cube side question.
- traes 3mo agoA lot of players actually do go to college, although likely a minority. I know that Maxime Vachier-Lagrave in particular has a math degree. Ding Liren has a law degree. Daniel Naroditsky himself, while not quite a top grandmaster by the typical definition, had a bachelors in history.
- InterviewFrog 3mo agoThis is just a Western cultural perception and baggage. That if you are good at chess, you are smart. If you can solve the Rubik's Cube quickly, you are a genius, etc. Getting better at chess, the Rubik's Cube, etc. is a skill. The more you practice and the more passionate you are, the better you get at it. This is just like learning to play the piano or learning to swim. There is natural aptitude as well but its not as simple as being super smart and being able to strategize well using intelligence. That's just the narrative that seems to make sense. Being good at chess isn't evidence that someone is smart in general.
- randomNumber7 3mo agoA lot of people try to get good at chess. If someone manages to become world class he is likely very intelligent.
- assbuttbuttass 3mo agoIf someone manages to become a world class chess player, they are likely very good at chess
- BoingBoomTschak 3mo agoPlease don't devolve into reactionary nonsense. I'm pretty sure that if you measure the average IQ of good (whatever your definition of good) chess players, you won't get 100.
- justacrow 3mo agoSeems weird to dismiss stuff as "nonsense" just because you're "pretty sure". Hikaru Nakamura (who's been the world #2 in classical rating) did an IQ test on stream and ended up with 102. I've not seen any other results for top players. The first study of it I found (https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289616301593 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S01602...) notes that, while there is some correlation, "Full-scale IQ explained < 1% of the variance in chess skill."