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You’d revolt? Against what?

toomuchtodo 3mo ago
America’s flavor of Capitalism, through politics and policy, to center the human over capital. (Socialism support is ~62% of the under 30 cohort, and 2M voters 55+ age out every year, progress is a function of time and electorate turnover, with progress visible via observing outcomes at election milestones) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46529387 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46529387 (citations)
- xhkkffbf 3mo ago
  The easiest way to do this is to leave the US. Why not go to Cuba? Or Venezuela? Or Russia? The options are out there.
  - sillyfluke 3mo ago
    Well, if you enjoy Trump era corruption, authoritarian strongman rule, and a great chasm between the haves and the have nots you can go to those countries as well. The options are open.
  - toomuchtodo 3mo ago
    Isn’t it easier to wait for the minority opposition to age out versus moving? As long as young voters show up to vote, you just have to be on the ballot (as almost every election since the presidential election has shown). Perhaps you’re asking the wrong folks to move, as the future and the country belong to its youth, not its elderly (who, by definition, are time constrained). “The dead should not rule the living." -— Jefferson “Progress occurs one funeral at a time.” —- Max Planck
    - xhkkffbf 3mo ago
      You can be on the plane tomorrow. If you're really committed to living under the beautiful Communist dream, it can be yours within 24 hours. Do you really think that it's going to just be Mamdani victory after Mamdani victory going forward and that in 10-20 years you'll be living in paradise? And, btw, the youth are also time constrained. Sorry to burst your bubble.
      - toomuchtodo 3mo ago
        I’m committed to universal healthcare, living wages, heavily subsidized or no cost education, affordable housing (even if it’s public or social, like the Vienna model) and high progressive tax rates. Call it whatever you want, but it’s certainly not communism. It’s less brutalist capitalism. I expect it to take 5-10 years to see progress, at least. I’m prepared for a long haul. > Do you really think that it's going to just be Mamdani victory after Mamdani victory going forward and that in 10-20 years you'll be living in paradise? If young people keep voting for democratic socialist candidates and old voters and representatives keep aging out, yes, I see a positive political and policy trajectory to achieving progressive policies. It’s simply demographics and electorate turnover. It’s wild to me these are considered radical ideas, but humans are tricky, emotional, and driven by rigid mostly low information mental models.
        xhkkffbf 3mo ago
        That's a big if. Maybe you'll be right. But the odds are you'll find yourself like Germany as it watches Poland blast by it in GDP. Or maybe you'll be like England where recently 30k++ people were kicked off the National Health waiting list. Why? Because they died before the doctor could see them. And, hey, you've got low cost education already. It's called YouTube and Udemy and Coursera, but I'm sure you've got some nutty dream that only includes huge leafy campuses and aging Marxist professors like Donald Sutherland in "Animal House." It's some old vision of what "education" might be. But I'm here like the Mayor in "Wizard of Oz" to tell you that you and your cohort already has the power thanks to the Great Capitalist engine of Silicon Valley that built the Internet. One of these days the public housing projects in Vienna will get the Internet. I'm sure.
  - dqv 3mo ago
    You know, I thought, surely, by now, capitalists would be calling for reform to capitalism to prevent the weird ponzy scheme from shutting down, but it's the same clichés! Not even an interrogation of why people are souring to capitalism, just the same old tired response. Make sure you do 5 prayers to Bezos and another 5 to Thiel on your capitalism rosary ($14.99/month subscription). If you've run out of prayers for the month, they actually have a sale for the 4th of July, $8.99 gives you 12 more prayers! Golly, I could use those two extra prayers to pray to Musk.
- Herring 3mo ago
  I don't know how much I really trust polls when it comes to Americans and socialism. Look what happened in 2008 https://news.gallup.com/poll/4708/healthcare-system.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/4708/healthcare-system.aspx (first graph) Democrats saw what seemed like a massive opportunity, took it, got punished very hard for 20 years. Issues of culture are sticky. I think it could take many decades for Americans to unlearn their brand of toxic individualism. Maybe centuries.
  - toomuchtodo 3mo ago
    Kiros is a good sign so far outside of NY, winning against a 30 year centrist incumbent in Colorado. Democratic socialist Melat Kiros poised to become the first Gen Z woman in Congress - https://www.npr.org/2026/07/01/nx-s1-5876122/colorado-primary-election-melat-kiros-democratic-socialist https://www.npr.org/2026/07/01/nx-s1-5876122/colorado-primar... - July 1st, 2026 Arizona is up next for testing and observing via election. Democratic Socialists are winning elections nationwide. Is Arizona Next? - https://www.azfamily.com/2026/07/04/democratic-socialists-are-winning-elections-nationwide-is-arizona-next/ https://www.azfamily.com/2026/07/04/democratic-socialists-ar... - July 3rd, 2026 Paul Krugman: There Are Very Few Socialists in America, but most of us are social democrats - https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/there-are-very-few-socialists-in https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/there-are-very-few-social... - July 2nd, 2026 > Issues of culture are sticky. I think it could take many decades for Americans to unlearn their brand of toxic individualism. Maybe centuries. Strongly agree. Much work ahead to change the dysfunctional American culture around hyper individualism. I hope it can be done in only a generation or two. My mental model on this is US religiosity decline. This is Not Simple Generational Replacement - https://www.graphsaboutreligion.com/p/can-millennials-save-the-american https://www.graphsaboutreligion.com/p/can-millennials-save-t... - April 23rd, 2026 When Are Half Your Members Going to be Dead? - https://www.graphsaboutreligion.com/p/when-are-half-your-members-going https://www.graphsaboutreligion.com/p/when-are-half-your-mem... - January 29th, 2026 The Generational Collapse of American Religion - https://www.graphsaboutreligion.com/p/the-generational-collapse-of-american https://www.graphsaboutreligion.com/p/the-generational-colla... - January 19th, 2026 Drop in U.S. Religiosity Among Largest in World - https://news.gallup.com/poll/697676/drop-religiosity-among-largest-world.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/697676/drop-religiosity-among-l... - November 13th, 2025 Some fun YC history I think is tagentially related to this topic of culture: Interview with Mr. Money Mustache - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15348384 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15348384 - September 2017 (284 comments) ("Don't start a blog, start a cult.")

America’s flavor of Capitalism, through politics and policy, to center the human over capital. (Socialism support is ~62% of the under 30 cohort, and 2M voters 55+ age out every year, progress is a function of time and electorate turnover, with progress visible via observing outcomes at election milestones) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46529387 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46529387 (citations)

xhkkffbf 3mo ago
The easiest way to do this is to leave the US. Why not go to Cuba? Or Venezuela? Or Russia? The options are out there.
- sillyfluke 3mo ago
  Well, if you enjoy Trump era corruption, authoritarian strongman rule, and a great chasm between the haves and the have nots you can go to those countries as well. The options are open.
- toomuchtodo 3mo ago
  Isn’t it easier to wait for the minority opposition to age out versus moving? As long as young voters show up to vote, you just have to be on the ballot (as almost every election since the presidential election has shown). Perhaps you’re asking the wrong folks to move, as the future and the country belong to its youth, not its elderly (who, by definition, are time constrained). “The dead should not rule the living." -— Jefferson “Progress occurs one funeral at a time.” —- Max Planck
  - xhkkffbf 3mo ago
    You can be on the plane tomorrow. If you're really committed to living under the beautiful Communist dream, it can be yours within 24 hours. Do you really think that it's going to just be Mamdani victory after Mamdani victory going forward and that in 10-20 years you'll be living in paradise? And, btw, the youth are also time constrained. Sorry to burst your bubble.
    - toomuchtodo 3mo ago
      I’m committed to universal healthcare, living wages, heavily subsidized or no cost education, affordable housing (even if it’s public or social, like the Vienna model) and high progressive tax rates. Call it whatever you want, but it’s certainly not communism. It’s less brutalist capitalism. I expect it to take 5-10 years to see progress, at least. I’m prepared for a long haul. > Do you really think that it's going to just be Mamdani victory after Mamdani victory going forward and that in 10-20 years you'll be living in paradise? If young people keep voting for democratic socialist candidates and old voters and representatives keep aging out, yes, I see a positive political and policy trajectory to achieving progressive policies. It’s simply demographics and electorate turnover. It’s wild to me these are considered radical ideas, but humans are tricky, emotional, and driven by rigid mostly low information mental models.
      - xhkkffbf 3mo ago
        That's a big if. Maybe you'll be right. But the odds are you'll find yourself like Germany as it watches Poland blast by it in GDP. Or maybe you'll be like England where recently 30k++ people were kicked off the National Health waiting list. Why? Because they died before the doctor could see them. And, hey, you've got low cost education already. It's called YouTube and Udemy and Coursera, but I'm sure you've got some nutty dream that only includes huge leafy campuses and aging Marxist professors like Donald Sutherland in "Animal House." It's some old vision of what "education" might be. But I'm here like the Mayor in "Wizard of Oz" to tell you that you and your cohort already has the power thanks to the Great Capitalist engine of Silicon Valley that built the Internet. One of these days the public housing projects in Vienna will get the Internet. I'm sure.
- dqv 3mo ago
  You know, I thought, surely, by now, capitalists would be calling for reform to capitalism to prevent the weird ponzy scheme from shutting down, but it's the same clichés! Not even an interrogation of why people are souring to capitalism, just the same old tired response. Make sure you do 5 prayers to Bezos and another 5 to Thiel on your capitalism rosary ($14.99/month subscription). If you've run out of prayers for the month, they actually have a sale for the 4th of July, $8.99 gives you 12 more prayers! Golly, I could use those two extra prayers to pray to Musk.
Herring 3mo ago
I don't know how much I really trust polls when it comes to Americans and socialism. Look what happened in 2008 https://news.gallup.com/poll/4708/healthcare-system.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/4708/healthcare-system.aspx (first graph) Democrats saw what seemed like a massive opportunity, took it, got punished very hard for 20 years. Issues of culture are sticky. I think it could take many decades for Americans to unlearn their brand of toxic individualism. Maybe centuries.
- toomuchtodo 3mo ago
  Kiros is a good sign so far outside of NY, winning against a 30 year centrist incumbent in Colorado. Democratic socialist Melat Kiros poised to become the first Gen Z woman in Congress - https://www.npr.org/2026/07/01/nx-s1-5876122/colorado-primary-election-melat-kiros-democratic-socialist https://www.npr.org/2026/07/01/nx-s1-5876122/colorado-primar... - July 1st, 2026 Arizona is up next for testing and observing via election. Democratic Socialists are winning elections nationwide. Is Arizona Next? - https://www.azfamily.com/2026/07/04/democratic-socialists-are-winning-elections-nationwide-is-arizona-next/ https://www.azfamily.com/2026/07/04/democratic-socialists-ar... - July 3rd, 2026 Paul Krugman: There Are Very Few Socialists in America, but most of us are social democrats - https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/there-are-very-few-socialists-in https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/there-are-very-few-social... - July 2nd, 2026 > Issues of culture are sticky. I think it could take many decades for Americans to unlearn their brand of toxic individualism. Maybe centuries. Strongly agree. Much work ahead to change the dysfunctional American culture around hyper individualism. I hope it can be done in only a generation or two. My mental model on this is US religiosity decline. This is Not Simple Generational Replacement - https://www.graphsaboutreligion.com/p/can-millennials-save-the-american https://www.graphsaboutreligion.com/p/can-millennials-save-t... - April 23rd, 2026 When Are Half Your Members Going to be Dead? - https://www.graphsaboutreligion.com/p/when-are-half-your-members-going https://www.graphsaboutreligion.com/p/when-are-half-your-mem... - January 29th, 2026 The Generational Collapse of American Religion - https://www.graphsaboutreligion.com/p/the-generational-collapse-of-american https://www.graphsaboutreligion.com/p/the-generational-colla... - January 19th, 2026 Drop in U.S. Religiosity Among Largest in World - https://news.gallup.com/poll/697676/drop-religiosity-among-largest-world.aspx https://news.gallup.com/poll/697676/drop-religiosity-among-l... - November 13th, 2025 Some fun YC history I think is tagentially related to this topic of culture: Interview with Mr. Money Mustache - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15348384 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15348384 - September 2017 (284 comments) ("Don't start a blog, start a cult.")