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Not quite surprising. The more important question is: how much are lobbyists paid to sell out data of EU citizens to US corporations here? Will they prevail? T

Not quite surprising. The more important question is: how much are lobbyists paid to sell out data of EU citizens to US corporations here? Will they prevail? There is enough money to go around for certain.

r3trohack3r 3mo ago
Pro tip: if you’re going to try a propoganda - don’t be so transparent on your redirect.
- thin_carapace 3mo ago
  if you believe that the parent comment is propaganda, would you care to share why exactly you believe that the average european citizen benefits from mass surveillance funnelled through american channels?
  - r3trohack3r 3mo ago
    Two things can be true. The most compelling redirects refocus the conversation on another truth.
    - thin_carapace 3mo ago
      the average person isnt taught to handle cognitive dissonance, maybe thats why lying by omission is such an effective propaganda technique. thank you for clarifying your perspective
jongjong 3mo ago
It feels like they've been paid to sell out the users themselves, not just the data. It's weird that EU is so dependant on US tech when it comes to media platforms... While there are alternatives out there. In a lot of related areas in tech, it feels like suppression.
- dizlexic 3mo ago
  This might be taken as hyperbolic, but the EU seems to have trouble building anything.
  - DocTomoe 3mo ago
    Network effects are real. It is hard to convince people to move over to your platform if the selling argument is 'not quite there yet, but we got you covered on the minilib front, plus it's less usable because of our weird interpretation of our own data protection laws'.
    - jongjong 3mo ago
      Yes and my perspective is that GDPR has harmed EU startups and helped US companies by virtue of them being incumbents and having the resources to dedicate to compliance. Probably can't be fixed as easily now because of corporate culture around standards like SOC2 and ISO27001... Which I think are more harmful to security than helpful as they create complacency and hinder progress by creating barriers.
      - stavros 3mo ago
        There's a decision to be made whether corporations should be allowed to do anything they want or not. The countries that choose to let them do what they want, will obviously give them an advantage over the countries that don't. You and I, however, are not corporations, so maybe it's in our best interest if they actually aren't allowed to do whatever they want.
      - r_lee 3mo ago
        that is most of the EU legislation making/operating companies, getting access to banking, hiring, etc.. all those things are catered towards multinationals by endless bureaucracy and requirements that need consultants/lawyers it's by design
        3mo ago

r3trohack3r 3mo ago

Pro tip: if you’re going to try a propoganda - don’t be so transparent on your redirect.

thin_carapace 3mo ago
if you believe that the parent comment is propaganda, would you care to share why exactly you believe that the average european citizen benefits from mass surveillance funnelled through american channels?
- r3trohack3r 3mo ago
  Two things can be true. The most compelling redirects refocus the conversation on another truth.
  - thin_carapace 3mo ago
    the average person isnt taught to handle cognitive dissonance, maybe thats why lying by omission is such an effective propaganda technique. thank you for clarifying your perspective

jongjong 3mo ago

It feels like they've been paid to sell out the users themselves, not just the data. It's weird that EU is so dependant on US tech when it comes to media platforms... While there are alternatives out there. In a lot of related areas in tech, it feels like suppression.

dizlexic 3mo ago
This might be taken as hyperbolic, but the EU seems to have trouble building anything.
- DocTomoe 3mo ago
  Network effects are real. It is hard to convince people to move over to your platform if the selling argument is 'not quite there yet, but we got you covered on the minilib front, plus it's less usable because of our weird interpretation of our own data protection laws'.
  - jongjong 3mo ago
    Yes and my perspective is that GDPR has harmed EU startups and helped US companies by virtue of them being incumbents and having the resources to dedicate to compliance. Probably can't be fixed as easily now because of corporate culture around standards like SOC2 and ISO27001... Which I think are more harmful to security than helpful as they create complacency and hinder progress by creating barriers.
    - stavros 3mo ago
      There's a decision to be made whether corporations should be allowed to do anything they want or not. The countries that choose to let them do what they want, will obviously give them an advantage over the countries that don't. You and I, however, are not corporations, so maybe it's in our best interest if they actually aren't allowed to do whatever they want.
    - r_lee 3mo ago
      that is most of the EU legislation making/operating companies, getting access to banking, hiring, etc.. all those things are catered towards multinationals by endless bureaucracy and requirements that need consultants/lawyers it's by design
      - 3mo ago