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But when humans do it suddenly it's "standing on the shoulders of giants" I don't get how you can possibly call it plagiarism if it produce a novel breakthroug

But when humans do it suddenly it's "standing on the shoulders of giants" I don't get how you can possibly call it plagiarism if it produce a novel breakthrough - by definition, the existing knowledge base doesn't contain the new ideas generated in this process. And we've proven it can handle complex, novel thinking when it solved a significant Erdos problem back in May: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ai-just-solved-an-80-year-old-erdos-problem-and-mathematicians-are-amazed/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ai-just-solved-an...

ShinyLeftPad 3mo ago
The difference is thinking for yourself
- handoflixue 3mo ago
  Sorry, what about solving an open mathematics problem is not "thinking for yourself"? What exactly WOULD constitute "thinking for yourself", or is this just a magic soul thing?
  - ShinyLeftPad 3mo ago
    you read some books and think hard = not plagiarism you press a button and a machine creates a derivative work from some books = plagiarism (mostly by people who made the machine and charge you for it, maybe arguably you but that's a different question)
topham 3mo ago
I don't have a problem using AI. I also acknowledge, when doing so, how I use it. But, literally typing in a prompt and then massaging its output and then claiming ownership of its plan? Yeah, no. It doesn't matter if the original article is supposed to be satire. I've been using AI to do some coding, I've been using it to help me plan a much larger project. It's a tool, and it's useful; but I am in control of the project, not letting the AI control me. Meanwhile in my day job, I've had multiple coworkers pump shit into AI and regurgitate the answer without critical thought. They are letting it make decisions for them without validating it first even. It's not really satire if we're already dealing with this attitude.

ShinyLeftPad 3mo ago

The difference is thinking for yourself

handoflixue 3mo ago
Sorry, what about solving an open mathematics problem is not "thinking for yourself"? What exactly WOULD constitute "thinking for yourself", or is this just a magic soul thing?
- ShinyLeftPad 3mo ago
  you read some books and think hard = not plagiarism you press a button and a machine creates a derivative work from some books = plagiarism (mostly by people who made the machine and charge you for it, maybe arguably you but that's a different question)

topham 3mo ago

I don't have a problem using AI. I also acknowledge, when doing so, how I use it. But, literally typing in a prompt and then massaging its output and then claiming ownership of its plan? Yeah, no. It doesn't matter if the original article is supposed to be satire. I've been using AI to do some coding, I've been using it to help me plan a much larger project. It's a tool, and it's useful; but I am in control of the project, not letting the AI control me. Meanwhile in my day job, I've had multiple coworkers pump shit into AI and regurgitate the answer without critical thought. They are letting it make decisions for them without validating it first even. It's not really satire if we're already dealing with this attitude.