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So, we're about to have Great Depression 2 and WW3? Fun.
by pfdietz 4mo ago
So, we're about to have Great Depression 2 and WW3? Fun.
- Avicebron 4mo agoSometimes I wish Strauss–Howe theory hadn't been hijacked. It seems noteworthy how similar (cyclical?) things are even if it's a coincidence..
- edoceo 4mo agoA key feature of the human condition is thinking "this time will be different"
- gopher_space 4mo agoFrom my perspective more like "it didn't work the last 20 times we tried it, but it damn well ought to!"
- copper-float 4mo agoWhat do you mean hijacked? I'm not familiar with that theory.
- Spooky23 4mo agoCrazy/extemist people use it as a way to justify their nonsense.
- GolfPopper 4mo agoYeah, that's my guess as to what Avicebron meant as well. Various flavors of extremists use it (like others have used "social darwinism") as a justification or excuse for their accumulation and abuses of power. "We are the 'hard men' this time needs! Shut up and do what we tell you!"
- Izkata 4mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2%80%93Howe_generational_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2%80%93Howe_generatio... The relevant sections for these comments: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2%80%93Howe_generational_theory#Turnings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2%80%93Howe_generatio... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2%80%93Howe_generational_theory#Timing_of_generations_and_turnings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strauss%E2%80%93Howe_generatio... Basically we've been in a "4th Turning" for about two decades, and the 4th turning typically ends in some sort of crisis (hence the name for it, "Crisis"): Great Depression/WWII in the previous one, the US Civil War before that, the "Age of Revolution" before that, etc. The idea behind it is lessons learned last until the people who lived through the previous one die. So the 4 "turnings" repeat every 80-100 years, and some sort of major crisis is expected around now - hence talk of another Great Depression or WWIII. I don't see what GP means by "hijacked", GGP is pretty much a direct reference to exactly what it talks about. Aside, this meme is based on this theory: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/hard-times-create-strong-men https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/hard-times-create-strong-men - "hard times" represents the 4th Turning, though it's oversimplified, which makes it not really a great match.
- UncleOxidant 4mo agoWe're kind of already having the WW3 part.
- stackghost 4mo agoIt has felt inevitable to me for a few years now. The market != the economy but a major crash can still trigger a credit crunch that will materially affect regular people. Look at the insane valuations on some of these companies. They can't continue forever. As for WW3, well, there's a diaper-wearing senile old man, with an inferiority complex to boot, in charge of a nuclear arsenal and major conventional forces.
- miroljub 4mo ago> As for WW3, well, there's a diaper-wearing senile old man, with an inferiority complex to boot, in charge of a nuclear arsenal and major conventional forces. How naive one must be to consider this NPC as the biggest threat to human kind since the dawn of man. It's not that single person who threatens the world, it's the complete American elite and the whole American society who push for wars and more wars, and the current NPC of the day in the office is just their tool.
- pfdietz 4mo agoIt sometimes is a single person. Consider the failed beer hall demagogue who wrecked a nation, a continent, and nearly a world.
- UncleOxidant 4mo agoTo both of your points: the beer hall demagogue wouldn't have gotten to Chancellor if the German elites hadn't decided that he really couldn't do that much damage and we may as well let him be chancellor to quiet down his followers. Even after the putsch, he got a very light sentence because the judge was sympathetic with his right-wing cause. You're both right to some extent. A huge amount of damage was done by one man, but he got to where he did because the German elites thought that he might be useful to their cause.
- pfdietz 4mo agoAll events have multiple causes. But history turned on what he did, and would have been very different otherwise.
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