4 ms·

> Distilling a model is a method that can push the entire market to low margins and prevent companies from making money off such research Then it's on Anthropi

by messe 3mo ago

> Distilling a model is a method that can push the entire market to low margins and prevent companies from making money off such research Then it's on Anthropic to actually price their models accordingly so that distilling isn't profitable. Why does this need a legal remedy when market forces could easily resolve this? > Is it in the interest of the USA, probably no Good. The world needs to diversify away from dependence on US technology.

breppp 3mo ago
> Good. The world needs to diversify away from dependence on US technology. In my opinion further strengthening the CCP is a disaster for the world. A government that killed millions of its own citizens to stay in power is not who I would entrust super intelligence with. But apparently we are not going to agree on that
- vrganj 3mo ago
  When did the CCP kill millions of its own citizens to stay in power?
  - breppp 3mo ago
    The Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution are two such examples Generally Communist nations historically favored technological development to human life in the scale of millions, keep that in mind when we enter a new economic revolution
    - vrganj 3mo ago
      The Great Leap Forward wasn't "killing" people, which implies intent. It was just good old economic mismanagement. On a related note, around 300k people die in the US every year due to causes directly attributable to poverty. [0] In other words, ~a million every three years. Now what? [0] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10111231/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10111231/
      - breppp 3mo ago
        > The Great Leap Forward wasn't "killing" people, which implies intent. It was just good old economic mismanagement. If both the USSR and the CCP had millions killed in the process of modernization, without stopping when knowing the death toll, maybe there's intent after all? How would you describe the cultural revolution then? another case of economic mismanagement?
        vrganj 3mo ago
        I noticed you haven't addressed my main point at all. What are the millions dying of poverty every few years in the US (in a country with like a quarter of the population!), a death toll that still hasn't been stopped? Is there intent there as well?
        breppp 3mo ago
        That study statistics seem questionable at best just so to say the US should have universal health care. A lack of policy is not the same as enacting a policy, especially one that is supposed to emulate past USSR actions which they knew at the time led to millions of dead. This makes it hard to say the CCP didn't know what would happen. Later when it was found out mass starvation to the point of wide spread cannibalism was happening they would not stop, yet continue sending their troops to steal the peasant's food and execute anyone who resisted. We also of course have Mao quoted as saying "Death has benefits; fertilizer is created", "Half of China may well have to die", as many other quotes showing they weren't really interested in the millions that will die. This culminating in 30 million dead in 4 years, which if we take your study at face value will take the US 100 years to achieve through "poverty related deaths", which even communist utopias have. Regarding the Cultural Revolution I assume you agree this was intentional murder of a million+, although you seemed to challenge that in my original posting. Our current discussion seem to focus on intent even though I said "killing" which usually does imply reduced intent. Regarding the Great Leap Forward, I do believe the CCP would prefer no deaths, and a lot of the deaths relate to strongman idiotic ideas without challenge, as is endemic in ideological totalitarian societies. However, I believe they fully knew what they were going into, without taking into account the refusal to stop, and therefore these were horrendous crimes.
- tw1984 3mo ago
  40 years ago, when the CCP was leading its people making toys and socks for the US, people like you who never made any change to the world were talking such ideological nonsense. 40 years on, when the CCP is leading its people making AI, robotics, drones, EVs, space station and moon rovers to compete with the US, people like you how never made any change to the world are talking such ideological nonsense. you live in a history museum or something like that?
  - breppp 3mo ago
    I don't know about me effecting change to the world but I am sure the tens of millions that died due to the Great Leap Forward were happy to effect change to the world so others could produce those socks

by messe 3mo ago

breppp 3mo ago

> Good. The world needs to diversify away from dependence on US technology. In my opinion further strengthening the CCP is a disaster for the world. A government that killed millions of its own citizens to stay in power is not who I would entrust super intelligence with. But apparently we are not going to agree on that

vrganj 3mo ago
When did the CCP kill millions of its own citizens to stay in power?
- breppp 3mo ago
  The Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution are two such examples Generally Communist nations historically favored technological development to human life in the scale of millions, keep that in mind when we enter a new economic revolution
  - vrganj 3mo ago
    The Great Leap Forward wasn't "killing" people, which implies intent. It was just good old economic mismanagement. On a related note, around 300k people die in the US every year due to causes directly attributable to poverty. [0] In other words, ~a million every three years. Now what? [0] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10111231/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10111231/
    - breppp 3mo ago
      > The Great Leap Forward wasn't "killing" people, which implies intent. It was just good old economic mismanagement. If both the USSR and the CCP had millions killed in the process of modernization, without stopping when knowing the death toll, maybe there's intent after all? How would you describe the cultural revolution then? another case of economic mismanagement?
      - vrganj 3mo ago
        I noticed you haven't addressed my main point at all. What are the millions dying of poverty every few years in the US (in a country with like a quarter of the population!), a death toll that still hasn't been stopped? Is there intent there as well?
        breppp 3mo ago
        That study statistics seem questionable at best just so to say the US should have universal health care. A lack of policy is not the same as enacting a policy, especially one that is supposed to emulate past USSR actions which they knew at the time led to millions of dead. This makes it hard to say the CCP didn't know what would happen. Later when it was found out mass starvation to the point of wide spread cannibalism was happening they would not stop, yet continue sending their troops to steal the peasant's food and execute anyone who resisted. We also of course have Mao quoted as saying "Death has benefits; fertilizer is created", "Half of China may well have to die", as many other quotes showing they weren't really interested in the millions that will die. This culminating in 30 million dead in 4 years, which if we take your study at face value will take the US 100 years to achieve through "poverty related deaths", which even communist utopias have. Regarding the Cultural Revolution I assume you agree this was intentional murder of a million+, although you seemed to challenge that in my original posting. Our current discussion seem to focus on intent even though I said "killing" which usually does imply reduced intent. Regarding the Great Leap Forward, I do believe the CCP would prefer no deaths, and a lot of the deaths relate to strongman idiotic ideas without challenge, as is endemic in ideological totalitarian societies. However, I believe they fully knew what they were going into, without taking into account the refusal to stop, and therefore these were horrendous crimes.
tw1984 3mo ago
40 years ago, when the CCP was leading its people making toys and socks for the US, people like you who never made any change to the world were talking such ideological nonsense. 40 years on, when the CCP is leading its people making AI, robotics, drones, EVs, space station and moon rovers to compete with the US, people like you how never made any change to the world are talking such ideological nonsense. you live in a history museum or something like that?
- breppp 3mo ago
  I don't know about me effecting change to the world but I am sure the tens of millions that died due to the Great Leap Forward were happy to effect change to the world so others could produce those socks