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> revealed invisible Interesting that the language of sight is so prevalent that it appears in this very title twice. Echoing other comments, this would be a

> revealed invisible Interesting that the language of sight is so prevalent that it appears in this very title twice. Echoing other comments, this would be a stronger article if it went into more specifics, but the AI voice precludes that meaningfully.

thaumasiotes 4mo ago
> Interesting that the language of sight is so prevalent that it appears in this very title twice. Well, it appears once in "invisible", and once in "blind"... but I don't see why "blind" is a surprise when talking about someone blind. There is no reference to sight in "reveal".
- Planktonne 4mo ago
  Not an immediately explicit one, but to reveal is to unveil [1] is to remove a covering that blocks sight specifically. [1] https://www.etymonline.com/word/reveal https://www.etymonline.com/word/reveal
  - zersiax 4mo ago
    I always find it interesting to see that while we watch people struggle to get through a UI , unable to see the forest through the trees while they just want to get done with the task they, when they eyeball it, should only take five minutes but takes five hours instead, we get blinded by talking about the use of the word blindspot or the order in which we should say visual, impairment and person. meanwhile the UI never gets fixed and the cycle repeats when the next person shows up. As a blind person myself, I truly don't see the problem with using visual terminology given we don't live in a value, and while I understand some people go looking for a fight after the 30th inaccessible mandatory form they have to fill out that day, I've always preferred a more measured approach.
    - handoflixue 4mo ago
      The language isn't even being criticized here, just remarked upon. I think that's fair.
- TimByte 4mo ago
  Yeah, blind seems unavoidable there, since it's literally about a blind client
TimByte 4mo ago
The "invisible" point is interesting, although I'm not sure I'd read too much into it. Visual metaphors are so baked into English that avoiding all of them can start to feel a bit performative unless the wording is actually excluding someone
- Planktonne 4mo ago
  > Visual metaphors are so baked into English This is the point I am making.
singpolyma3 4mo ago
I thought of it as a pun

thaumasiotes 4mo ago

> Interesting that the language of sight is so prevalent that it appears in this very title twice. Well, it appears once in "invisible", and once in "blind"... but I don't see why "blind" is a surprise when talking about someone blind. There is no reference to sight in "reveal".

Planktonne 4mo ago
Not an immediately explicit one, but to reveal is to unveil [1] is to remove a covering that blocks sight specifically. [1] https://www.etymonline.com/word/reveal https://www.etymonline.com/word/reveal
- zersiax 4mo ago
  I always find it interesting to see that while we watch people struggle to get through a UI , unable to see the forest through the trees while they just want to get done with the task they, when they eyeball it, should only take five minutes but takes five hours instead, we get blinded by talking about the use of the word blindspot or the order in which we should say visual, impairment and person. meanwhile the UI never gets fixed and the cycle repeats when the next person shows up. As a blind person myself, I truly don't see the problem with using visual terminology given we don't live in a value, and while I understand some people go looking for a fight after the 30th inaccessible mandatory form they have to fill out that day, I've always preferred a more measured approach.
  - handoflixue 4mo ago
    The language isn't even being criticized here, just remarked upon. I think that's fair.
TimByte 4mo ago
Yeah, blind seems unavoidable there, since it's literally about a blind client

TimByte 4mo ago

The "invisible" point is interesting, although I'm not sure I'd read too much into it. Visual metaphors are so baked into English that avoiding all of them can start to feel a bit performative unless the wording is actually excluding someone

Planktonne 4mo ago
> Visual metaphors are so baked into English This is the point I am making.

singpolyma3 4mo ago

I thought of it as a pun