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I’ve had ~15 cars over the past 25 years, different make and models, some really cheap, some fairly expensive. One thing they all have in common: their terrible

I’ve had ~15 cars over the past 25 years, different make and models, some really cheap, some fairly expensive. One thing they all have in common: their terrible infotainment UI. I’m sure they are trying and it has gotten slightly better lately - but it’s still not great imho. If they really want to do it better than Apple etc., they seriously need to up their game - and I really wish they would, but I don’t see that happening, the cost is too high.

throwaway2037 3mo ago
> I’ve had ~15 cars over the past 25 years That is a lot of cars! Why so many?
ExoticPearTree 3mo ago
I don't think they can. The infotainment is outsourced to who knows where and those people develop based on specs sent by the manufacturer: as cheap as possible and as fast as possible. Unless you actually spend time understanding what people want, how they want it, if they like it or not, you cannot have a superior product. I have a newish car (2023 make) with an Android based infotainment system: the built-in maps move so slow, no online updates (I have to use a stick to update them once a year) and so on. Basically they put it there I think out of habit, not that the majority of their customer demand in-car navigation as a must to buy it.
Telaneo 3mo ago
Even if they can do better, will it be better than Carplay in 10 years? Or 20? Will I get free GPS map updates for that long? Some brands don't even do OTA updates, so you'd have to get your car in for a service if there's a new feature or bug fix in an update you care about. I'd never want to do that for a map fix when I could just use Carplay where Google Maps (or whatever else) has already fixed it. And even if they do OTA updates, they won't be updating those maps in 10 years, much less 20.
bombcar 3mo ago
Car Infotainment Systems vs Built-in TV UI/Apps shittiness FIGHT! It's a real competition, not sure who would take home the gold.
- jameshart 3mo ago
  Winner goes through to the semifinal against an in flight seatback entertainment system, but will go down in the final to a WiFi router configuration web interface with default password ‘admin’.
- joshstrange 3mo ago
  It pains me when I see people using the built-in TV apps. I've bought and/or gifted older Apple TVs and the like (Fire/Chrome stick/box) to show there is a better way. The lag and general slowness of those interfaces drive me nuts.

throwaway2037 3mo ago

> I’ve had ~15 cars over the past 25 years That is a lot of cars! Why so many?

ExoticPearTree 3mo ago

I don't think they can. The infotainment is outsourced to who knows where and those people develop based on specs sent by the manufacturer: as cheap as possible and as fast as possible. Unless you actually spend time understanding what people want, how they want it, if they like it or not, you cannot have a superior product. I have a newish car (2023 make) with an Android based infotainment system: the built-in maps move so slow, no online updates (I have to use a stick to update them once a year) and so on. Basically they put it there I think out of habit, not that the majority of their customer demand in-car navigation as a must to buy it.

Telaneo 3mo ago

Even if they can do better, will it be better than Carplay in 10 years? Or 20? Will I get free GPS map updates for that long? Some brands don't even do OTA updates, so you'd have to get your car in for a service if there's a new feature or bug fix in an update you care about. I'd never want to do that for a map fix when I could just use Carplay where Google Maps (or whatever else) has already fixed it. And even if they do OTA updates, they won't be updating those maps in 10 years, much less 20.

bombcar 3mo ago

Car Infotainment Systems vs Built-in TV UI/Apps shittiness FIGHT! It's a real competition, not sure who would take home the gold.

jameshart 3mo ago
Winner goes through to the semifinal against an in flight seatback entertainment system, but will go down in the final to a WiFi router configuration web interface with default password ‘admin’.
joshstrange 3mo ago
It pains me when I see people using the built-in TV apps. I've bought and/or gifted older Apple TVs and the like (Fire/Chrome stick/box) to show there is a better way. The lag and general slowness of those interfaces drive me nuts.