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> Which is of course exaggerated as usually and if you are referring to the AFD, my take is that the focus on the eastern part is just cope by the western part,

• 1718627440 4mo ago
  > Sure buddy. https://www.raa-sachsen.de/support/statistik/statistiken/rechtsmotivierte-rassistische-und-antisemitische-gewalt-in-sachsen-2024-9433 https://www.raa-sachsen.de/support/statistik/statistiken/rec... > Im Jahr 2024 verzeichneten Opferberatungsstellen in Sachsen 328 rechtsmotivierte Angriffe, von denen mindestens 446 Personen direkt betroffen waren. According to https://www.statistik.sachsen.de/html/lebenserwartung-gestorbene.html https://www.statistik.sachsen.de/html/lebenserwartung-gestor... there were 56.968 dead people in Saxony. Assuming all of those attacks killed all people which they didn't, you are 120 times more likely to just die, than to be in one of those attacks. According to https://www.lpr.sachsen.de/download/Lagebild_HGW_2024.pdf https://www.lpr.sachsen.de/download/Lagebild_HGW_2024.pdf, there were 10.202 cases of domestic violence in the same year. I'm not saying it does not exist, I am saying that while there are dangerous people and situations in a society and this is one of them, there is no reason, to act like this is dominating entire landscapes. What I find way more concerning is the 32.3% increase in the same year. Btw, there were 3612 cases in Bavaria[0] in 2024. This means there were 8 cases per 100k inhabitants in Saxony and 27 in Bavaria[1] Do you also want to claim, that Bavaria is a dangerous shithole? It doesn't seem to hurt the industry there. > Cope... That was referring to the common trope, that the AFD is solely an issue for the dumb Eastern part and it would never happen in the oh-so-educated Western part. > Dude, you can't blame lack of decency and empathy on the economy forever... And it won't get better by ignoring shit feeling entitled to outside help fixing your mess. I don't think political ignorance and frustration directly correlates with day-to-day empathy. But I do think 60 years of propaganda do something to a population and this issue is massively ignored and underestimated. Thinking this doesn't have any effect is saying they sucked at their job, which I think they really didn't, they were professionals in their own kind. > Public perception is already brilliant: https://www.fr.de/politik/vorsicht-ostdeutschland-11150062.html https://www.fr.de/politik/vorsicht-ostdeutschland-11150062.h... That is exactly what I mean with exaggeration and cope. This is an example of the Western part claiming the high-ground and planting the idea, that this can never happen in the West and is just these stupid Easterns, ignoring that there is very much a radicalism tourism, with people also coming from the West. I do live in Dresden, no there are no "no-go areas". That's just fear mongering and lying. [0] https://www.gruene-fraktion-bayern.de/themen/demokratie-gegen-rechts/rechte-straftaten-in-bayern-auf-einem-allzeithoch/ https://www.gruene-fraktion-bayern.de/themen/demokratie-gege... [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demografie_Deutschlands#mwKak https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demografie_Deutschlands#mwKak
  • jijijijij 4mo ago
    My man, I didn't even bring up the AfD. So think about that for a moment and do some introspection. You are projecting a lot. And downplaying those numbers with all cause mortality... Maybe think about that too, hm?! And your source states Bavaria had 144 violent right wing crimes, which is the number to match. Don't even sweat, for other reasons I would call it a shit hole too. But please, redo the math and be sure to not contrast the total population but the relevant potential victim populations. You know, since xenophobic violence isn't threatening everyone the same... I live in east Germany and speak from experience. So maybe you are the arrogant one trying to ostplain the world to those seeing just fine.
    • flohofwoe 4mo ago
      Tbh, for living in the East you sure have the clichee of the arrogant and ignorant 'Wessi' internalized to a P. The idea that there are 'no-go-zones' in Saxony is just silly (I have grown up in one of those apparently 'nazi-infested' areas, my entire family lives there and I visit every couple of weeks). Yes there is a significant far-right problem, and no I don't have a solution either, but as far as hardcore neonazis go, that problem was far worse in the 1990s and early 2000s than now (this was when the 'old nazis' from West Germany moved into East Germany to build their networks - sowing the seeds basically). Today there are plenty of 'non-white' (as you call them) refugees and asylum seekers (mostly from Syria and Afghanistan) and many more Ukrainian refugees (which for a while were the main target for Russian/AfD propaganda in East Germany) living in Saxon small towns, and 'somehow' it seems to work out (just travel by train or bus through the more rural areas of Saxony for a bit and you'll see). In conclusion, your black and white world view and generalized insults towards East Germans are quite frankly disgusting.
      • moritzwarhier 4mo ago
        As a Western German myself (who doesn't vote AfD), I'm inclined to agree. Division and looking down on people, especially using attributes like "braindead", is arrogant and also just adds to the political capital of the far right. Things that are not direct calls to violence or tearing down democracy must be acceptable parts of the discussion. And calling people who have opinions you consider hostile or wrong "stupid" has never helped anyone. Even when these opinions already cross the line of what's acceptable or are really "stupid" in your best-faith interpretation. The Ossi/Wessi thing is especially problematic to bring up I feel. Also, the German East has been attracting industry and science facilities for quite a long time. And parts of Western Germany still seem to have issues with losing their perceived cultural hegemony. But this process should be welcome to anyone who honestly wants a united Germany state. Sowing division by looking down on the "former DDR" is a poison to democracy, just like yearning for autocracy. The term "former DDR" is only recently going out of style in Western Germany, and that already says a lot. Looking down on the AFD is understandable when you detest right-wing ideology, but it is no more helpful than laughing about people who were nostalgic about parts of the former DDR. Adding arrogant arguments about wealth, the economy or cosmopolitanism will only increase this division and also the success of the AFD in the West. For example, rejecting to celebrate and awe at cosmopolitanism and multiculturalism is not "Nazi". That being said, yes, there are violent Nazis in Germany, many but not only in Eastern Germany. Pointing fingers at only this problem just further sows division though, and it should also be clear that the far right that is active in the East is not a seperate entity from the far right in Western Germany. Some regions in Western Germany also have strong far right hegemony, or are shifting to it, especially the poorer regions. Sowing division about wealth and relating it to xenophobia is not helpful in increasing tolerance or decreasing frustration of working people. And there is a shrinking part of the German left that ostentatiously is about human values, but has an ambivalent relationship towards capitalism, while rejecting any and all remotely critical sentiments regarding immigration. Often, even rejecting the German state: considering themselves leftists, but at the same time being deeply intertwined with the dominant cultural and political currents, and often enjoying a lot of wealth. The arrogance of this "wealthy liberal establishment" as an issue is not much different from what helped Trump get elected, I feel. The contradictory combination of being anti-right, pro-immigration, demanding of material wealth and at the same time claiming the moral arrogance of being on the morally "good" side will not slow down the decline of the left party of the political spectrum.