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These are different plants, that are situated in the same quarter. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1191197175 https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1191197175 vs

These are different plants, that are situated in the same quarter. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1191197175 https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1191197175 vs. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/583767292 https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/583767292

Tade0 4mo ago
You're right, honest mistake. I checked this several times, thinking "surely there aren't two chip plants built at the same time, in roughly the same location with the same company involved?". Apparently there are.
- 1718627440 4mo ago
  There are actually more than these two. There is also GlobalFoundries also on the same street, and also Bosch, although I am not sure, whether the latter is really separate from the ESMC joint venture.
jijijijij 4mo ago
I wonder how these will fare in Saxony. I presume it's an industry which will attract and depend on highly qualified foreign workers. Dresden itself may be fine, but parts of Saxony are sadly no-go areas for anyone remotely non-white, or even moderately liberal. It's a really brain-damaged region outside of Dresden and Leipzig, and even those cities are not exactly welcoming examples of diversity. Given a historic chance of prosperity, I think odds are eastern Germany will shoot itself in the foot epically with this.
- chmod775 4mo ago
  > I wonder how these will fare in Saxony. I presume it's an industry which will attract and depend on highly qualified foreign workers. Saxony has had a decently-sized or large (by German standards) microelectronics sector for decades: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Saxony https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Saxony As you'd probably guess, they're mostly situated around Leipzig and Dresden.
  - jijijijij 4mo ago
    I know about the historic connection, but that doesn't change the political/cultural climate in the area. As a matter of fact, the chairman of Silicon Saxony is concerned as well: https://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2024-02/afd-sachsen-silicon-saxony-fachkraefte-dirk-roehrborn https://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2024-02/afd-sachsen-silicon-s... Not to mention federal politicians doing their best to kill the German economy and motivation to work at all, it's quite hard to imagine why any foreign engineer would chose to move to Saxony of all places. Have you been to the countryside in the Bundesland? It's bad. Neonazi and racism all over the place. Literally visible to the casual observer, you don't even have to talk to anyone. T-shirts, stickers, graffiti, stupid notices, ... people there don't hide it.
    - NonHyloMorph 4mo ago
      Dresden and especially Leipzig are quite nice though - lots of culture, music and art. Also close to Berlin. It's not exactly like you would have to travel through the countryside by carriage to get anywhere. I agree that the political and cultural situation outside the cities there is sad though.
      - jijijijij 4mo ago
        I am frequently in Leipzig, it's indeed a very nice city. But it's also immediately obvious people with a (visible) migration background are a smaller minority than elsewhere (which is backed by stats). So for a lived experience, I would strongly suggest talking to those minorities. The reports I heard speak of a lot of casual racism. While you don't have to travel by carriage, you may even use the airport, avoiding the Umland is still an alienating and saddening state of affairs you can hardly call acceptable. For example, Saxony has absolutely beautiful nature along the Elbsandsteingebirge/Sächsische Schweiz, but those areas are also notoriously hot spots of the violent far right (e.g. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinheads_S%C3%A4chsische_Schweiz https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinheads_S%C3%A4chsische_Schw...). For me it felt moderately dangerous, as a white person. As an Indian, are you gonna join your colleagues on "workation" there, are you gonna bring up your worries? It's all fine, bro, racism in Saxony is all Wessi propaganda, bro. Just avoid leaving the safe zones.
- 1718627440 4mo ago
  > but parts of Saxony are sadly no-go areas for anyone remotely non-white Which is of course exaggerated as usually and if you are referring to the AFD, my take is that the focus on the eastern part is just cope by the western part, they are rising the same in the western part, the eastern is just ahead of the curve. This is very much a problem of the complete country. If the administration(s) manage to bring back the economy, than the AFD will also go away, if they don't then this will be the far bigger issue for any industry rather than the public perception of the workers. > I think odds are eastern Germany will shoot itself in the foot epically with this. How are they shooting themself in the foot, by investing into semiconductors? Even if it eventually fails, how would this be worse, then not having done anything? Also the odds of this failing (like the one in Magdeburg) are rather small. This is the news that the construction is finished, and it is a new module in an already existing factory of an already existing company in exactly this place. I don't believe the company is going to axe it, AFTER the factory is built and the costs were spent. This doesn't make any sense.
  - jijijijij 4mo ago
    > Which is of course exaggerated as usually and if you are referring to the AFD, my take is that the focus on the eastern part is just cope by the western part, they are rising the same in the western part, the eastern is just ahead of the curve. Sure buddy. https://www.raa-sachsen.de/support/statistik/statistiken/rechtsmotivierte-rassistische-und-antisemitische-gewalt-in-sachsen-2024-9433 https://www.raa-sachsen.de/support/statistik/statistiken/rec... There is a reason, every young person with half a brain moves to Leipzig/Dresden, or leaves Saxony completely. Cope...The problem with right wing extremism in the area predates the AfD, Saxony was always in the top three for right wing hate crimes. Maybe read criminal stats or Verfassungsschutzberichte instead of crying injustice. Dude, you can't blame lack of decency and empathy on the economy forever... And it won't get better by ignoring shit feeling entitled to outside help fixing your mess. > How are they shooting themself in the foot, by investing into semiconductors? Maybe read the comment you replied to. The investment into semiconductors is the great chance for prosperity, reactionary politics and xenophobia how they ruin it. Public perception is already brilliant: https://www.fr.de/politik/vorsicht-ostdeutschland-11150062.html https://www.fr.de/politik/vorsicht-ostdeutschland-11150062.h...
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Tade0 4mo ago

You're right, honest mistake. I checked this several times, thinking "surely there aren't two chip plants built at the same time, in roughly the same location with the same company involved?". Apparently there are.

1718627440 4mo ago
There are actually more than these two. There is also GlobalFoundries also on the same street, and also Bosch, although I am not sure, whether the latter is really separate from the ESMC joint venture.

jijijijij 4mo ago

I wonder how these will fare in Saxony. I presume it's an industry which will attract and depend on highly qualified foreign workers. Dresden itself may be fine, but parts of Saxony are sadly no-go areas for anyone remotely non-white, or even moderately liberal. It's a really brain-damaged region outside of Dresden and Leipzig, and even those cities are not exactly welcoming examples of diversity. Given a historic chance of prosperity, I think odds are eastern Germany will shoot itself in the foot epically with this.

chmod775 4mo ago
> I wonder how these will fare in Saxony. I presume it's an industry which will attract and depend on highly qualified foreign workers. Saxony has had a decently-sized or large (by German standards) microelectronics sector for decades: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Saxony https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Saxony As you'd probably guess, they're mostly situated around Leipzig and Dresden.
- jijijijij 4mo ago
  I know about the historic connection, but that doesn't change the political/cultural climate in the area. As a matter of fact, the chairman of Silicon Saxony is concerned as well: https://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2024-02/afd-sachsen-silicon-saxony-fachkraefte-dirk-roehrborn https://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2024-02/afd-sachsen-silicon-s... Not to mention federal politicians doing their best to kill the German economy and motivation to work at all, it's quite hard to imagine why any foreign engineer would chose to move to Saxony of all places. Have you been to the countryside in the Bundesland? It's bad. Neonazi and racism all over the place. Literally visible to the casual observer, you don't even have to talk to anyone. T-shirts, stickers, graffiti, stupid notices, ... people there don't hide it.
  - NonHyloMorph 4mo ago
    Dresden and especially Leipzig are quite nice though - lots of culture, music and art. Also close to Berlin. It's not exactly like you would have to travel through the countryside by carriage to get anywhere. I agree that the political and cultural situation outside the cities there is sad though.
    - jijijijij 4mo ago
      I am frequently in Leipzig, it's indeed a very nice city. But it's also immediately obvious people with a (visible) migration background are a smaller minority than elsewhere (which is backed by stats). So for a lived experience, I would strongly suggest talking to those minorities. The reports I heard speak of a lot of casual racism. While you don't have to travel by carriage, you may even use the airport, avoiding the Umland is still an alienating and saddening state of affairs you can hardly call acceptable. For example, Saxony has absolutely beautiful nature along the Elbsandsteingebirge/Sächsische Schweiz, but those areas are also notoriously hot spots of the violent far right (e.g. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinheads_S%C3%A4chsische_Schweiz https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinheads_S%C3%A4chsische_Schw...). For me it felt moderately dangerous, as a white person. As an Indian, are you gonna join your colleagues on "workation" there, are you gonna bring up your worries? It's all fine, bro, racism in Saxony is all Wessi propaganda, bro. Just avoid leaving the safe zones.
1718627440 4mo ago
> but parts of Saxony are sadly no-go areas for anyone remotely non-white Which is of course exaggerated as usually and if you are referring to the AFD, my take is that the focus on the eastern part is just cope by the western part, they are rising the same in the western part, the eastern is just ahead of the curve. This is very much a problem of the complete country. If the administration(s) manage to bring back the economy, than the AFD will also go away, if they don't then this will be the far bigger issue for any industry rather than the public perception of the workers. > I think odds are eastern Germany will shoot itself in the foot epically with this. How are they shooting themself in the foot, by investing into semiconductors? Even if it eventually fails, how would this be worse, then not having done anything? Also the odds of this failing (like the one in Magdeburg) are rather small. This is the news that the construction is finished, and it is a new module in an already existing factory of an already existing company in exactly this place. I don't believe the company is going to axe it, AFTER the factory is built and the costs were spent. This doesn't make any sense.
- jijijijij 4mo ago
  > Which is of course exaggerated as usually and if you are referring to the AFD, my take is that the focus on the eastern part is just cope by the western part, they are rising the same in the western part, the eastern is just ahead of the curve. Sure buddy. https://www.raa-sachsen.de/support/statistik/statistiken/rechtsmotivierte-rassistische-und-antisemitische-gewalt-in-sachsen-2024-9433 https://www.raa-sachsen.de/support/statistik/statistiken/rec... There is a reason, every young person with half a brain moves to Leipzig/Dresden, or leaves Saxony completely. Cope...The problem with right wing extremism in the area predates the AfD, Saxony was always in the top three for right wing hate crimes. Maybe read criminal stats or Verfassungsschutzberichte instead of crying injustice. Dude, you can't blame lack of decency and empathy on the economy forever... And it won't get better by ignoring shit feeling entitled to outside help fixing your mess. > How are they shooting themself in the foot, by investing into semiconductors? Maybe read the comment you replied to. The investment into semiconductors is the great chance for prosperity, reactionary politics and xenophobia how they ruin it. Public perception is already brilliant: https://www.fr.de/politik/vorsicht-ostdeutschland-11150062.html https://www.fr.de/politik/vorsicht-ostdeutschland-11150062.h...
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