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EDIT: Apparently it's a different plant. It's not just Infineon - it's called the European Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (ESMC) and is a joint venture by

by Tade0 3mo ago

EDIT: Apparently it's a different plant. It's not just Infineon - it's called the European Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (ESMC) and is a joint venture by TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP, with TSMC being the majority (70%) shareholder. I've met one of the engineers designing the piping for that plant. Hardest project to date for him and mainly because TSMC was setting the pace.

jansan 3mo ago
Isn't that TSMC joint venture another plant that will open next year?
1718627440 3mo ago
These are different plants, that are situated in the same quarter. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1191197175 https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1191197175 vs. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/583767292 https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/583767292
- Tade0 3mo ago
  You're right, honest mistake. I checked this several times, thinking "surely there aren't two chip plants built at the same time, in roughly the same location with the same company involved?". Apparently there are.
  - 1718627440 3mo ago
    There are actually more than these two. There is also GlobalFoundries also on the same street, and also Bosch, although I am not sure, whether the latter is really separate from the ESMC joint venture.
- jijijijij 3mo ago
  I wonder how these will fare in Saxony. I presume it's an industry which will attract and depend on highly qualified foreign workers. Dresden itself may be fine, but parts of Saxony are sadly no-go areas for anyone remotely non-white, or even moderately liberal. It's a really brain-damaged region outside of Dresden and Leipzig, and even those cities are not exactly welcoming examples of diversity. Given a historic chance of prosperity, I think odds are eastern Germany will shoot itself in the foot epically with this.
  - chmod775 3mo ago
    > I wonder how these will fare in Saxony. I presume it's an industry which will attract and depend on highly qualified foreign workers. Saxony has had a decently-sized or large (by German standards) microelectronics sector for decades: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Saxony https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Saxony As you'd probably guess, they're mostly situated around Leipzig and Dresden.
    - jijijijij 3mo ago
      I know about the historic connection, but that doesn't change the political/cultural climate in the area. As a matter of fact, the chairman of Silicon Saxony is concerned as well: https://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2024-02/afd-sachsen-silicon-saxony-fachkraefte-dirk-roehrborn https://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2024-02/afd-sachsen-silicon-s... Not to mention federal politicians doing their best to kill the German economy and motivation to work at all, it's quite hard to imagine why any foreign engineer would chose to move to Saxony of all places. Have you been to the countryside in the Bundesland? It's bad. Neonazi and racism all over the place. Literally visible to the casual observer, you don't even have to talk to anyone. T-shirts, stickers, graffiti, stupid notices, ... people there don't hide it.
      - NonHyloMorph 3mo ago
        Dresden and especially Leipzig are quite nice though - lots of culture, music and art. Also close to Berlin. It's not exactly like you would have to travel through the countryside by carriage to get anywhere. I agree that the political and cultural situation outside the cities there is sad though.
        jijijijij 3mo ago
        I am frequently in Leipzig, it's indeed a very nice city. But it's also immediately obvious people with a (visible) migration background are a smaller minority than elsewhere (which is backed by stats). So for a lived experience, I would strongly suggest talking to those minorities. The reports I heard speak of a lot of casual racism. While you don't have to travel by carriage, you may even use the airport, avoiding the Umland is still an alienating and saddening state of affairs you can hardly call acceptable. For example, Saxony has absolutely beautiful nature along the Elbsandsteingebirge/Sächsische Schweiz, but those areas are also notoriously hot spots of the violent far right (e.g. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinheads_S%C3%A4chsische_Schweiz https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinheads_S%C3%A4chsische_Schw...). For me it felt moderately dangerous, as a white person. As an Indian, are you gonna join your colleagues on "workation" there, are you gonna bring up your worries? It's all fine, bro, racism in Saxony is all Wessi propaganda, bro. Just avoid leaving the safe zones.
raverbashing 3mo ago
> Hardest project to date for him and mainly because TSMC was setting the pace. I can imagine their pace might be accelerated but better than endless discussions, shuffling and never shipping
joe_mamba 3mo ago
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- throw1234567891 3mo ago
  Maybe the Americans reached the quota with the Gulf of America.
- 1718627440 3mo ago
  How is this a bad thing??? Public names should be transparent and precise. It's the TSMC branch for Europe. This is exactly what the name says. I don't want a fancy name that sounds cool, but doesn't mean anything, so everyone needs to look up, what it means first. Names are supposed to be self-explanatory.

by Tade0 3mo ago

jansan 3mo ago

Isn't that TSMC joint venture another plant that will open next year?

1718627440 3mo ago

These are different plants, that are situated in the same quarter. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1191197175 https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1191197175 vs. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/583767292 https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/583767292

Tade0 3mo ago
You're right, honest mistake. I checked this several times, thinking "surely there aren't two chip plants built at the same time, in roughly the same location with the same company involved?". Apparently there are.
- 1718627440 3mo ago
  There are actually more than these two. There is also GlobalFoundries also on the same street, and also Bosch, although I am not sure, whether the latter is really separate from the ESMC joint venture.
jijijijij 3mo ago
I wonder how these will fare in Saxony. I presume it's an industry which will attract and depend on highly qualified foreign workers. Dresden itself may be fine, but parts of Saxony are sadly no-go areas for anyone remotely non-white, or even moderately liberal. It's a really brain-damaged region outside of Dresden and Leipzig, and even those cities are not exactly welcoming examples of diversity. Given a historic chance of prosperity, I think odds are eastern Germany will shoot itself in the foot epically with this.
- chmod775 3mo ago
  > I wonder how these will fare in Saxony. I presume it's an industry which will attract and depend on highly qualified foreign workers. Saxony has had a decently-sized or large (by German standards) microelectronics sector for decades: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Saxony https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicon_Saxony As you'd probably guess, they're mostly situated around Leipzig and Dresden.
  - jijijijij 3mo ago
    I know about the historic connection, but that doesn't change the political/cultural climate in the area. As a matter of fact, the chairman of Silicon Saxony is concerned as well: https://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2024-02/afd-sachsen-silicon-saxony-fachkraefte-dirk-roehrborn https://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2024-02/afd-sachsen-silicon-s... Not to mention federal politicians doing their best to kill the German economy and motivation to work at all, it's quite hard to imagine why any foreign engineer would chose to move to Saxony of all places. Have you been to the countryside in the Bundesland? It's bad. Neonazi and racism all over the place. Literally visible to the casual observer, you don't even have to talk to anyone. T-shirts, stickers, graffiti, stupid notices, ... people there don't hide it.
    - NonHyloMorph 3mo ago
      Dresden and especially Leipzig are quite nice though - lots of culture, music and art. Also close to Berlin. It's not exactly like you would have to travel through the countryside by carriage to get anywhere. I agree that the political and cultural situation outside the cities there is sad though.
      - jijijijij 3mo ago
        I am frequently in Leipzig, it's indeed a very nice city. But it's also immediately obvious people with a (visible) migration background are a smaller minority than elsewhere (which is backed by stats). So for a lived experience, I would strongly suggest talking to those minorities. The reports I heard speak of a lot of casual racism. While you don't have to travel by carriage, you may even use the airport, avoiding the Umland is still an alienating and saddening state of affairs you can hardly call acceptable. For example, Saxony has absolutely beautiful nature along the Elbsandsteingebirge/Sächsische Schweiz, but those areas are also notoriously hot spots of the violent far right (e.g. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinheads_S%C3%A4chsische_Schweiz https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinheads_S%C3%A4chsische_Schw...). For me it felt moderately dangerous, as a white person. As an Indian, are you gonna join your colleagues on "workation" there, are you gonna bring up your worries? It's all fine, bro, racism in Saxony is all Wessi propaganda, bro. Just avoid leaving the safe zones.

raverbashing 3mo ago

> Hardest project to date for him and mainly because TSMC was setting the pace. I can imagine their pace might be accelerated but better than endless discussions, shuffling and never shipping

joe_mamba 3mo ago

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throw1234567891 3mo ago
Maybe the Americans reached the quota with the Gulf of America.
1718627440 3mo ago
How is this a bad thing??? Public names should be transparent and precise. It's the TSMC branch for Europe. This is exactly what the name says. I don't want a fancy name that sounds cool, but doesn't mean anything, so everyone needs to look up, what it means first. Names are supposed to be self-explanatory.