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That'll show em! (that they should continue with the price fixing). I look forward to the day when we no longer have a pro-corruption government.

by pstuart 3mo ago

cyanydeez 3mo ago
win/wind: get caught, pay minor tax; dont get caught, get to keep minor tax
toomuchtodo 3mo ago
If you want more aggressive anti trust enforcement, voters must vote better, for candidates and administrations that will aggressively enforce.
- jackb4040 3mo ago
  Unfortunately, Ivy-League research suggests the opinions of 90% of Americans have virtually no impact on legislation.. That is basically predetermined by lobbyists, paid for by the same corporations meant to be punished: https://thinkbynumbers.org/democracy/voter-support-for-a-bill-has-near-zero-influence-on-whether-it-will-become-law https://thinkbynumbers.org/democracy/voter-support-for-a-bil... I think we either get a collapse into techno-feudalism, an anti-capitalist revolution (doubt), or a breakthrough savior of capitalism like FDR. The idea of "just vote better / harder" does not ring true to me or millions of people who have been hearing the same for decades while all these problems have gotten worse.
  - pstuart 3mo ago
    I'm not going to discount that finding, but I'd posit that some of the hubris of elected officials comes from the assumption that people are voting their party line -- they are effectively a shoo-in for a majority of voters. Partisan politics is bad for America and we were warned by Washington. These days, many people are more loyal to their party than they are to the country.
    - jackb4040 3mo ago
      I guess my point is, FPTP / lesser-evilism / party lines are all tools corporate power uses to explain why outcomes keep diverging from desires within our nominal democracy. It's all well and good to lament partisanship, but Washington's warning doesn't really help us find a solution. It was already falling apart as he made it. I do think Bernie Sanders was an attempt by our collective society to produce a new FDR. The fact that he was stopped so easily points to collapse as the next most likely outcome.
readthenotes1 3mo ago
"naked conspiracy to manipulate the price of eggs from 2022-2025. " Who was in charge during this time period?
- jstanley 3mo ago
  2 consecutive pro-corruption governments
  - nekusar 3mo ago
    2? 2?! I can easily think of lots of corruption of the following: Trump, Biden, Trump, Obama, W Bush, Clinton, H Bush, Reagan. Everybody follows neoliberal economics, and enables loads of corruption for their friends, families, and allies. All of them did that. They ALL have been corrupt. The target of who the corruption is for changes.
    - jachee 3mo ago
      Not within the given time period. Only two there.
  - pstuart 3mo ago
    I give Dems a partial pass -- in that their leadership engages in what I consider to be genteel corruption like being soft on monopolies and other less palatable but "business as usual" type of bullshit. This is versus and administration that is aggressively doing no-bid contract to family and friends, complete disregard for the emoluments clause of the constitution, etc. Note: the nature of a 2-party system, along with laissez-faire campaign finance laws, is practically designed for legislative corruption. Unfortunately the only people who can change it are the ones who profit from it.
    - jackb4040 3mo ago
      That aggression is a powerful political force. If democrats had used the same aggression to go after this type of corruption that Trump uses to go after latin americans, they would have ironclad popular support. The problem is that all their donors would withdraw. That contradiction is destroying them, they don't have an answer for it. It lost them the 2024 election, and will continue to do so until they invent another Obama. Then the problem with _that_ is, all the Obama types are now calling themselves socialists.
onetimeusename 3mo ago
Do you have any evidence the settlement terms are corrupt? There were 17 states involved. Many of those states have governors that are not in the same party as the president. https://apnews.com/article/egg-prices-collusion-settlement-d32b05892541613df3f4e4932109ee0c https://apnews.com/article/egg-prices-collusion-settlement-d...
- TimorousBestie 3mo ago
  It’s not only Republicans getting contributions from Big Egg.
  - throw10920 3mo ago
    xkcd (2130) continues to be unreasonably poignant, as usual.
- deleted 3mo ago
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That'll show em! (that they should continue with the price fixing). I look forward to the day when we no longer have a pro-corruption government.

by pstuart 3mo ago

That'll show em! (that they should continue with the price fixing). I look forward to the day when we no longer have a pro-corruption government.

cyanydeez 3mo ago

win/wind: get caught, pay minor tax; dont get caught, get to keep minor tax

toomuchtodo 3mo ago

If you want more aggressive anti trust enforcement, voters must vote better, for candidates and administrations that will aggressively enforce.

jackb4040 3mo ago
Unfortunately, Ivy-League research suggests the opinions of 90% of Americans have virtually no impact on legislation.. That is basically predetermined by lobbyists, paid for by the same corporations meant to be punished: https://thinkbynumbers.org/democracy/voter-support-for-a-bill-has-near-zero-influence-on-whether-it-will-become-law https://thinkbynumbers.org/democracy/voter-support-for-a-bil... I think we either get a collapse into techno-feudalism, an anti-capitalist revolution (doubt), or a breakthrough savior of capitalism like FDR. The idea of "just vote better / harder" does not ring true to me or millions of people who have been hearing the same for decades while all these problems have gotten worse.
- pstuart 3mo ago
  I'm not going to discount that finding, but I'd posit that some of the hubris of elected officials comes from the assumption that people are voting their party line -- they are effectively a shoo-in for a majority of voters. Partisan politics is bad for America and we were warned by Washington. These days, many people are more loyal to their party than they are to the country.
  - jackb4040 3mo ago
    I guess my point is, FPTP / lesser-evilism / party lines are all tools corporate power uses to explain why outcomes keep diverging from desires within our nominal democracy. It's all well and good to lament partisanship, but Washington's warning doesn't really help us find a solution. It was already falling apart as he made it. I do think Bernie Sanders was an attempt by our collective society to produce a new FDR. The fact that he was stopped so easily points to collapse as the next most likely outcome.

readthenotes1 3mo ago

"naked conspiracy to manipulate the price of eggs from 2022-2025. " Who was in charge during this time period?

jstanley 3mo ago
2 consecutive pro-corruption governments
- nekusar 3mo ago
  2? 2?! I can easily think of lots of corruption of the following: Trump, Biden, Trump, Obama, W Bush, Clinton, H Bush, Reagan. Everybody follows neoliberal economics, and enables loads of corruption for their friends, families, and allies. All of them did that. They ALL have been corrupt. The target of who the corruption is for changes.
  - jachee 3mo ago
    Not within the given time period. Only two there.
- pstuart 3mo ago
  I give Dems a partial pass -- in that their leadership engages in what I consider to be genteel corruption like being soft on monopolies and other less palatable but "business as usual" type of bullshit. This is versus and administration that is aggressively doing no-bid contract to family and friends, complete disregard for the emoluments clause of the constitution, etc. Note: the nature of a 2-party system, along with laissez-faire campaign finance laws, is practically designed for legislative corruption. Unfortunately the only people who can change it are the ones who profit from it.
  - jackb4040 3mo ago
    That aggression is a powerful political force. If democrats had used the same aggression to go after this type of corruption that Trump uses to go after latin americans, they would have ironclad popular support. The problem is that all their donors would withdraw. That contradiction is destroying them, they don't have an answer for it. It lost them the 2024 election, and will continue to do so until they invent another Obama. Then the problem with _that_ is, all the Obama types are now calling themselves socialists.

onetimeusename 3mo ago

Do you have any evidence the settlement terms are corrupt? There were 17 states involved. Many of those states have governors that are not in the same party as the president. https://apnews.com/article/egg-prices-collusion-settlement-d32b05892541613df3f4e4932109ee0c https://apnews.com/article/egg-prices-collusion-settlement-d...

TimorousBestie 3mo ago
It’s not only Republicans getting contributions from Big Egg.
- throw10920 3mo ago
  xkcd (2130) continues to be unreasonably poignant, as usual.
deleted 3mo ago
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