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Hence things like the US FDA's major statement / CCN standards: https://www.fda.gov/media/184312/download https://www.fda.gov/media/184312/download Providing a

by ethbr1 3mo ago

Hence things like the US FDA's major statement / CCN standards: https://www.fda.gov/media/184312/download https://www.fda.gov/media/184312/download Providing accurate-in-effect summarized information is a difficult balance to strike. Ultimately though, if people really care, they should be parsing through study results.

s1artibartfast 3mo ago
Are government officials, like goveners or their health departments held to similar standards? I think this was the direction of their desire.
- ethbr1 3mo ago
  Yes. That's the entire multi-stage FDA approval process, including in EUA cases.
  - s1artibartfast 3mo ago
    no, no it isnt a requirement on what a politican or government employee says or what data accompanys it. I think there is a fundamental misscommunication going on.
    - ethbr1 3mo ago
      Are you talking about the actions of governors and their state health departments? Or communications? It was unclear what your gripe was.
      - s1artibartfast 3mo ago
        State public health education and advocacy campaigns. If a drug manufactuer runs a commercial, they are legally required to include risks and references to relevant information. If a state rep or PR manager does it, they can literally lie as far as I am aware.
Henchman21 3mo ago
> Ultimately though, if people really care, they should be parsing through study results Absolutely hate this framing. I care but I don’t have the requisite education to understand what I’m reading. I need it explained by someone who has taken up that specialization. But to say that because I have walked another path in life that I don’t care?!? Because I have chosen a different specialization?? Deeply insulting AND untrue AND unrealistic. Our society is based on specialization at this point. If we cannot rely on each other for these basic communication tasks, then society must be dead, eh?
- ethbr1 3mo ago
  Turn that around: you're asking for someone to make something understandable to you despite your not having the background to make an informed decision. That process, by definition, in the perfect case, includes someone summarizing/simplifying concepts. And that process is extremely difficult to do without bias, summarization being an information-loss activity, etc. So essentially, you're asking for an impossible standard of communication. Additionally, I'd point out that the basics^ of biology, immunology, pathology, and epidemiology aren't that complicated, if you're a reasonably intelligent person. Grasping the basics of mRNA transcription, viral fragment encoding, immune system functioning, and the purpose and effects of various common vaccine adjuvants is ~20 hours of internet research. Which is one of the reasons it really gets my goat when so many anti-vaccine folks appear not to have made any educational effort before crystalizing their loud opinions. ^ As distinct from the details, which require a lifetime to comprehend
- estearum 3mo ago
  > I care but I don’t have the requisite education to understand what I’m reading. I need it explained by someone who has taken up that specialization. They did explain it! Here's what it sounded like: "We have thoroughly researched these treatments and found them to be generally safe and effective, and well-worth the potential risks for people who fit profile X Y Z, but closer individualized medical consideration is warranted for people who fit profile P Q R."

by ethbr1 3mo ago

s1artibartfast 3mo ago

Are government officials, like goveners or their health departments held to similar standards? I think this was the direction of their desire.

ethbr1 3mo ago
Yes. That's the entire multi-stage FDA approval process, including in EUA cases.
- s1artibartfast 3mo ago
  no, no it isnt a requirement on what a politican or government employee says or what data accompanys it. I think there is a fundamental misscommunication going on.
  - ethbr1 3mo ago
    Are you talking about the actions of governors and their state health departments? Or communications? It was unclear what your gripe was.
    - s1artibartfast 3mo ago
      State public health education and advocacy campaigns. If a drug manufactuer runs a commercial, they are legally required to include risks and references to relevant information. If a state rep or PR manager does it, they can literally lie as far as I am aware.

Henchman21 3mo ago

> Ultimately though, if people really care, they should be parsing through study results Absolutely hate this framing. I care but I don’t have the requisite education to understand what I’m reading. I need it explained by someone who has taken up that specialization. But to say that because I have walked another path in life that I don’t care?!? Because I have chosen a different specialization?? Deeply insulting AND untrue AND unrealistic. Our society is based on specialization at this point. If we cannot rely on each other for these basic communication tasks, then society must be dead, eh?

ethbr1 3mo ago
Turn that around: you're asking for someone to make something understandable to you despite your not having the background to make an informed decision. That process, by definition, in the perfect case, includes someone summarizing/simplifying concepts. And that process is extremely difficult to do without bias, summarization being an information-loss activity, etc. So essentially, you're asking for an impossible standard of communication. Additionally, I'd point out that the basics^ of biology, immunology, pathology, and epidemiology aren't that complicated, if you're a reasonably intelligent person. Grasping the basics of mRNA transcription, viral fragment encoding, immune system functioning, and the purpose and effects of various common vaccine adjuvants is ~20 hours of internet research. Which is one of the reasons it really gets my goat when so many anti-vaccine folks appear not to have made any educational effort before crystalizing their loud opinions. ^ As distinct from the details, which require a lifetime to comprehend
estearum 3mo ago
> I care but I don’t have the requisite education to understand what I’m reading. I need it explained by someone who has taken up that specialization. They did explain it! Here's what it sounded like: "We have thoroughly researched these treatments and found them to be generally safe and effective, and well-worth the potential risks for people who fit profile X Y Z, but closer individualized medical consideration is warranted for people who fit profile P Q R."