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I call bullshit on the "very quickly" part there. It'll take a decade to phase out. And some don't seem interested at all (my employer for instance).

by moogly 3mo ago

toyg 3mo ago
Some are more exposed than others.
- moogly 3mo ago
  I don't doubt there are some, but GP made it sound like every European company and institution is working feverishly on it, which just cannot be true.
  - mrdevlar 3mo ago
    A lot more people are working on it than I expected there to be. It's the one time where the European Union's inability to advertise what they're doing is paying off in their favor. Then again, good, the operation of government isn't meant to be done through a tweet. We should resist the corruption of government to idiotic soundbites on platforms owned by American billionaires.
petcat 3mo ago
> take a decade More like several decades and 100s of billions of euros which nobody is going to pay. It will simply never happen and right now all the politicians are just quietly waiting for this whole thing to blow over.
- dylan604 3mo ago
  > More like several decades and 100s of billions of euros which nobody is going to pay And now you know where that $4.7B fine will be spent. Why spend your own money when you can spend someone else’s?
  - 9dev 3mo ago
    > Why spend your own money when you can spend someone else’s? Funny you would say that in defence of giant mega-corporations, externalising huge chunks of the cost they generate to the rest of the world. OpenAI decided to run the largest social experiment humanity ever undertook without asking any of us. Microsoft is powering up old nuclear power plants to cover for their AI data center consumption. Apple is manufacturing in foreign countries under awful conditions so every American child can own an iPhone. Big Tech made San Francisco unaffordable even for well-compensated software engineers. Facebook actively made children addicted to push more apps. We all, as a society, have to suffer through the effects of reckless greed from American companies (and we didn't even talk about Big Oil or Big Pharma yet!) Just because nobody bothers to put a price tag on it doesn't mean there isn't one. The EU doesn't fine companies as a way to generate revenue, but because they break local laws and cause damages to someone.
    - dylan604 3mo ago
      > Funny you would say that in defence of giant mega-corporations, It is funny because that's not what I was saying. At. All. The reply was a reply to the question of why EU countries just hired US based companies instead of developing their own. The response to that was that it would cost too much money "100s of billions of euros". Now the EU is coming up with their own versions of things like Office and what not. I was merely suggesting that they have found a way to offset that "100s of billions of euros" by fining companies billions of euros. I feel dumb having to explain it.
    - abc123abc123 3mo ago
      Can you prove that? The EU is fully free to decide on laws that hit exclusively US companies if they so want, with the hope of being able to generate revenue. There is no law, constitution, court or parliament that explicitly forbids this. Another indicator, that this is indeed a new business for the EU, is to look at the difference between southern europe and northern europe when it comes to the size of GDPR fines. It's enormous. Clearly the south has found a new way to revenue, since most, if not all of them, are more or less bankrupt.
  - 3mo ago
- moogly 3mo ago
  I definitely started out typing out the plural, but thought I should temper my words a bit for some reason.
bluGill 3mo ago
They will likely take a decade, but only because this isn't top priority. They could be out in a month if it was important to them. The alternatives exist, there is just a lot of pain in switching that they can avoid by doing this over a decade.

I call bullshit on the "very quickly" part there. It'll take a decade to phase out. And some don't seem interested at all (my employer for instance).

by moogly 3mo ago

I call bullshit on the "very quickly" part there. It'll take a decade to phase out. And some don't seem interested at all (my employer for instance).

toyg 3mo ago

Some are more exposed than others.

moogly 3mo ago
I don't doubt there are some, but GP made it sound like every European company and institution is working feverishly on it, which just cannot be true.
- mrdevlar 3mo ago
  A lot more people are working on it than I expected there to be. It's the one time where the European Union's inability to advertise what they're doing is paying off in their favor. Then again, good, the operation of government isn't meant to be done through a tweet. We should resist the corruption of government to idiotic soundbites on platforms owned by American billionaires.

petcat 3mo ago

> take a decade More like several decades and 100s of billions of euros which nobody is going to pay. It will simply never happen and right now all the politicians are just quietly waiting for this whole thing to blow over.

dylan604 3mo ago
> More like several decades and 100s of billions of euros which nobody is going to pay And now you know where that $4.7B fine will be spent. Why spend your own money when you can spend someone else’s?
- 9dev 3mo ago
  > Why spend your own money when you can spend someone else’s? Funny you would say that in defence of giant mega-corporations, externalising huge chunks of the cost they generate to the rest of the world. OpenAI decided to run the largest social experiment humanity ever undertook without asking any of us. Microsoft is powering up old nuclear power plants to cover for their AI data center consumption. Apple is manufacturing in foreign countries under awful conditions so every American child can own an iPhone. Big Tech made San Francisco unaffordable even for well-compensated software engineers. Facebook actively made children addicted to push more apps. We all, as a society, have to suffer through the effects of reckless greed from American companies (and we didn't even talk about Big Oil or Big Pharma yet!) Just because nobody bothers to put a price tag on it doesn't mean there isn't one. The EU doesn't fine companies as a way to generate revenue, but because they break local laws and cause damages to someone.
  - dylan604 3mo ago
    > Funny you would say that in defence of giant mega-corporations, It is funny because that's not what I was saying. At. All. The reply was a reply to the question of why EU countries just hired US based companies instead of developing their own. The response to that was that it would cost too much money "100s of billions of euros". Now the EU is coming up with their own versions of things like Office and what not. I was merely suggesting that they have found a way to offset that "100s of billions of euros" by fining companies billions of euros. I feel dumb having to explain it.
  - abc123abc123 3mo ago
    Can you prove that? The EU is fully free to decide on laws that hit exclusively US companies if they so want, with the hope of being able to generate revenue. There is no law, constitution, court or parliament that explicitly forbids this. Another indicator, that this is indeed a new business for the EU, is to look at the difference between southern europe and northern europe when it comes to the size of GDPR fines. It's enormous. Clearly the south has found a new way to revenue, since most, if not all of them, are more or less bankrupt.
- 3mo ago
moogly 3mo ago
I definitely started out typing out the plural, but thought I should temper my words a bit for some reason.

bluGill 3mo ago

They will likely take a decade, but only because this isn't top priority. They could be out in a month if it was important to them. The alternatives exist, there is just a lot of pain in switching that they can avoid by doing this over a decade.