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Over the long term, we definitely need something like Linux phones. I find it bizzarre by how little companies support this mission of Linux phones.
by Imustaskforhelp 3mo ago
Over the long term, we definitely need something like Linux phones. I find it bizzarre by how little companies support this mission of Linux phones.
- echoangle 3mo agoI don’t want to be too pedantic but Android uses the Linux kernel. Degoogled Android is basically what you want.
- eMPee584 3mo agono, because screw all that java crap, they optimized for control and developer quantity, not for ux, customizability, performance...
- microtonal 3mo agoWhy do you need a Linux phone (as if Android is not a Linux phone), when there is also AOSP. If Google closes it up, it can be forked, but I don't see any fundamental benefit of throwing away decades of development done on AOSP.
- birdsongs 3mo agoIt's not Linux phones that we need. We already have alternatives, like graphene and other AOSP forks. We need corporations and governments to stop locking down and gatekeeping vital software to closed ecosystems. A Linux phone doesn't help me when my government's 2FA system (BankID) only runs on Android and IOS phones and can only be acquired with an app store account.
- Avicebron 3mo ago> We need corporations and governments to stop locking down and gatekeeping vital software to closed ecosystems. If you can't get the government to do this for you in Norway the US has very little hope currently. We need some standard of minimal digital accessibility. Too much of our lives mediated by digital interactions with capricious systems.
- hparadiz 3mo agoThe irony is none of this is a problem in the US. We still have a ton of banks that you can use without a smartphone. Even my bank's app works fine on a rooted Android or GrapheneOS. Europeans are doing this to themselves.
- vintermann 3mo agoCompeting to be best in class at US loyalty, more like it.
- ryukafalz 3mo agoI just recently, in the US, got bounced through a bank authentication system (Wells Fargo's) when trying to order something from Amazon that required me to use their mobile app. I don't use an Android or iOS phone; as best I can tell there is no way to successfully complete that authentication. I even have a hardware TOTP token from the bank now, but even that they won't accept. Now, my card info did in fact get compromised recently, and that's probably why I ended up needing that stronger auth flow. But the fact that I literally can't complete that stronger bank authentication without Google or Apple is... yeah. No. I have since signed up for a different credit card that I plan to use from here on out.
- birdsongs 3mo ago> Europeans are doing this to themselves. I mean, tbf the situation was fine until the US transitioned to an autocracy, and the companies went full surveillance state evil, completely supporting the autocracy. Which is a relatively recent development. But sure. Most places here are working as fast as possible to decouple from any reliance on the US, and I would expect Norway to switch to the new EU digital ID system currently in development.
- eMPee584 3mo agowhich as of now seems to depend on google/apple services being in control of your device and thus gets us half a tiny step closer to freedom at most..
- type0 3mo agoSpeaking from experience, it's not only ID systems but if you run non-Android (some AOSP) they might still require you to install an App only available with Play Services or on iOS to do business with government agencies or even apply for funds in some European states. In other words if you are using GrapheneOS, from gov. agencies point of view you might as well be a criminal. Actually given how frequent ID-theft is nowadays, it's actually easier for criminals to launder their money than privacy preserving individuals or companies to pay taxes in EEA.
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- vitally3643 3mo agoYou read the terms wrong
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- HybridStatAnim8 3mo agoGrapheneOS does not run anything through google services. Nowhere in the "terms" is this stated. GrapheneOS uses first party servers for all default OS connections.
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- HybridStatAnim8 3mo agoYou seem to be greatly misunderstanding what is actually happening. You are conflating default OS domains with google play services. Google play services is not bundled or installed by default, and is not given any kind of privileged access when it is installed. It does not handle OS domains or functionality, and GrapheneOS does not proxy its connections in any way. As for the default domains of the OS, most are to GrapheneOS servers, not proxies. The only default OS connection that is proxied to google is remote key provisioning. As for non-default connections, the only google proxies are widevine, for apps that use widevine, and SUPL, for location locking. SUPL can be disabled, and GOS is considering removing SUPL if network location is effective enough, or if they can host their own SUPL server viably. https://grapheneos.org/faq#default-connections https://grapheneos.org/faq#default-connections https://grapheneos.org/faq#other-connections https://grapheneos.org/faq#other-connections These connections do NOT contain identifiable information. That is false. Note RCS chats are also not proxied.
- troyvit 3mo agoI'm not familiar with that system. Here in the US I can go to the bank and do anything I need personally with an ID. Is that not doable where you are?
- someplaceguy 3mo agoOne of the most popular banks in Brazil doesn't have physical branches. It doesn't even have a functional website. App only.
- Telaneo 3mo agoMy bank doesn't have any physical locations. Those that do have worse rates, and I've had bad experiences with several of them anyway.
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