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I can understand there are acceptable reasons other than intimidation to check on people sending letters like this, but this absolutely is non-violent criticism

I can understand there are acceptable reasons other than intimidation to check on people sending letters like this, but this absolutely is non-violent criticism.

OutOfHere 4mo ago
There is no acceptable reason to "check on" him for it. It is political criticism written in an attention gathering way is all. Odds are that a standard critical message would never gain the mind's attention, so people have to get creative. Also, for better or worse, the "check" these days allegedly happens more commonly by hacking into the person's devices to monitor them for a while.
- phendrenad2 4mo ago
  People are consistently surprised when the government doesn't operate exactly according to the letter of the law. There are ample opportunities to learn this before you get to this point. Jaywalking may be illegal but people do it right in front of a cop and get away with it. Likewise plenty of things that are perfectly legal attract law enforcement attention. If you asked 100 people on the street if that letter constitutes a threat, I believe that 5-10% would say yes, so sending something like that is definitely asking for trouble. And yes, I'm victim-blaming, because the victim is partially to blame.
  - OutOfHere 4mo ago
    That may be so, but it's unlikely that a jury would find him guilty. Moreover, those 5-10% would probably not be able to narrow or support their allegation if probed.
  - ImPostingOnHN 4mo ago
    > If you asked 100 people on the street if that letter constitutes a threat, I believe that 5-10% would say yes, so sending something like that is definitely asking for trouble Something is "asking for trouble" if a tiny minority think it is? I think not. That would be extreme minority rule, not democracy. If you ask 100 reasonable people if that letter constitutes a threat, and 90-95% say "no", then the remaining 5-10% should accept that their opinions are unreasonable, and defer to reasonable people, and drop the matter.
    - tpoacher 4mo ago
      Black people constitute 13% of the US. Should opinions exclusive to black communities be ignored and dismissed as unreasonable?
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      - OutOfHere 4mo ago
        Minorities often seek to engage in witch hunts. Opinions should never matter when it comes to law enforcement. The facts and logic should. The fact is that even if a minority assert the email to be a threat, upon probing there is no way they can explain why or how it is threat. An objective analysis should be sought. You can read one by cgpt in its shared conversation ID 6a46a4f2-82fc-83ea-89bf-de6e6108070c which clearly determines it is not a threat.
        blooalien 4mo ago
        > Minorities often seek to engage in witch hunts. Some minorities sometimes seek to engage in witch hunts. Many others either don't care to waste energy on such pettiness, or simply have better things to do with their time. To be fair, there's a lot of messed up "Karen-types" among the non-minority groups that engage in witch hunting of various kinds as well, so... Yeah. Some humans are just messed up I guess...
        OutOfHere 4mo ago
        Sorry, by minorities I didn't mean non-whites. I literally meant small groups.
      - ImPostingOnHN 4mo ago
        Could you be more specific? Which opinions about what could cause trouble, held exclusively by black people, are you referring to?
  - TheCoelacanth 4mo ago
    People who are empowered to enact violence on behalf of the state must be held to a higher standard than random citizens. Anything other than absolute adherence to the letter of the law is completely unacceptable from any part of the government.
- cucumber3732842 4mo ago
  >There is no acceptable reason to... You know that. I know that. But that sort of identify and harass anyone who is a thorn in your side or otherwise noteworthy for a bad reason workflow is absolutely the status quo in government from the highest and mightiest federal agencies down to your local permitting office. These people are living in a filter bubble running organizations staffed by people from the same filter bubble. They don't understand what they're doing is even wrong.
gordian-mind 4mo ago
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I can understand there are acceptable reasons other than intimidation to check on people sending letters like this, but this absolutely is non-violent criticism.

OutOfHere 4mo ago

There is no acceptable reason to "check on" him for it. It is political criticism written in an attention gathering way is all. Odds are that a standard critical message would never gain the mind's attention, so people have to get creative. Also, for better or worse, the "check" these days allegedly happens more commonly by hacking into the person's devices to monitor them for a while.

phendrenad2 4mo ago
People are consistently surprised when the government doesn't operate exactly according to the letter of the law. There are ample opportunities to learn this before you get to this point. Jaywalking may be illegal but people do it right in front of a cop and get away with it. Likewise plenty of things that are perfectly legal attract law enforcement attention. If you asked 100 people on the street if that letter constitutes a threat, I believe that 5-10% would say yes, so sending something like that is definitely asking for trouble. And yes, I'm victim-blaming, because the victim is partially to blame.
- OutOfHere 4mo ago
  That may be so, but it's unlikely that a jury would find him guilty. Moreover, those 5-10% would probably not be able to narrow or support their allegation if probed.
- ImPostingOnHN 4mo ago
  > If you asked 100 people on the street if that letter constitutes a threat, I believe that 5-10% would say yes, so sending something like that is definitely asking for trouble Something is "asking for trouble" if a tiny minority think it is? I think not. That would be extreme minority rule, not democracy. If you ask 100 reasonable people if that letter constitutes a threat, and 90-95% say "no", then the remaining 5-10% should accept that their opinions are unreasonable, and defer to reasonable people, and drop the matter.
  - tpoacher 4mo ago
    Black people constitute 13% of the US. Should opinions exclusive to black communities be ignored and dismissed as unreasonable?
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    - OutOfHere 4mo ago
      Minorities often seek to engage in witch hunts. Opinions should never matter when it comes to law enforcement. The facts and logic should. The fact is that even if a minority assert the email to be a threat, upon probing there is no way they can explain why or how it is threat. An objective analysis should be sought. You can read one by cgpt in its shared conversation ID 6a46a4f2-82fc-83ea-89bf-de6e6108070c which clearly determines it is not a threat.
      - blooalien 4mo ago
        > Minorities often seek to engage in witch hunts. Some minorities sometimes seek to engage in witch hunts. Many others either don't care to waste energy on such pettiness, or simply have better things to do with their time. To be fair, there's a lot of messed up "Karen-types" among the non-minority groups that engage in witch hunting of various kinds as well, so... Yeah. Some humans are just messed up I guess...
        OutOfHere 4mo ago
        Sorry, by minorities I didn't mean non-whites. I literally meant small groups.
    - ImPostingOnHN 4mo ago
      Could you be more specific? Which opinions about what could cause trouble, held exclusively by black people, are you referring to?
- TheCoelacanth 4mo ago
  People who are empowered to enact violence on behalf of the state must be held to a higher standard than random citizens. Anything other than absolute adherence to the letter of the law is completely unacceptable from any part of the government.
cucumber3732842 4mo ago
>There is no acceptable reason to... You know that. I know that. But that sort of identify and harass anyone who is a thorn in your side or otherwise noteworthy for a bad reason workflow is absolutely the status quo in government from the highest and mightiest federal agencies down to your local permitting office. These people are living in a filter bubble running organizations staffed by people from the same filter bubble. They don't understand what they're doing is even wrong.

gordian-mind 4mo ago

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