2 ms·

This would be the line for me. If at some point I'm unable to build an .apk and install it on my phone without Google letting me, I'm moving to Huawei.

aerzen 4mo ago
Does Huawei not use android or Google play services?
- foxrider 4mo ago
  No, they use AppGallery and HMS.
- animuchan 4mo ago
  It's Android but without Google's services, there's an alternative app store. The irony of Chinese vendors providing a breath of fresh low-DRM air.
  - pjmlp 4mo ago
    Partially true, HarmonyOS NEXT is its own thing, with a Typescript based language ArkTS. https://developer.huawei.com/consumer/en/arkts/ https://developer.huawei.com/consumer/en/arkts/ And now they are adding yet another one, AOT compiled, Cangjie https://cangjie-lang.cn/en https://cangjie-lang.cn/en Using Android fork has been a transition step.
    - animuchan 4mo ago
      Neat, thanks for this correction! Interesting, an entire new programming language.
      - pjmlp 4mo ago
        And a microkernel based OS with capabilities. Another example that microkernels actually do have market share.
  - Aachen 4mo ago
    Low DRM? I looked at Huawei devices because I figured they'd have to sell them here super cheap because of this downside most Europeans people will even see as a showstopper ("how will I install my precious WhatsApp??"), but - they're among the most expensive (I could afford that if needed though) - they don't allow hardware unlock (ehh.. what's the point, then, if I get a locked-down device with Chinese surprises!)
    - animuchan 4mo ago
      OK yeah I didn't know they stopped allowing to root. Normal levels of DRM then, my mistake, you're right.
  - aerzen 4mo ago
    It seems like China is becoming the "freedom superpower" while USA is getting "corporate superpower" vibes. Huh
    - surajrmal 4mo ago
      I'm curious why you think China is actually more open in this regard. The CCP has direct influence over the apps that are allowed to be installed on these phones. There is nothing more free about them.
- tsimionescu 4mo ago
  No, Google is barred from providing any services to them by the US government.
- koolala 4mo ago
  not like that no, some US carriers don't allow them though like AT&T blocks you to google or apple phones. for them only pixel supports a way out with graphene.
kodebach 4mo ago
If you're building the APK, you're probably installing via ADB, in which case none of the changes apply

aerzen 4mo ago

Does Huawei not use android or Google play services?

foxrider 4mo ago
No, they use AppGallery and HMS.
animuchan 4mo ago
It's Android but without Google's services, there's an alternative app store. The irony of Chinese vendors providing a breath of fresh low-DRM air.
- pjmlp 4mo ago
  Partially true, HarmonyOS NEXT is its own thing, with a Typescript based language ArkTS. https://developer.huawei.com/consumer/en/arkts/ https://developer.huawei.com/consumer/en/arkts/ And now they are adding yet another one, AOT compiled, Cangjie https://cangjie-lang.cn/en https://cangjie-lang.cn/en Using Android fork has been a transition step.
  - animuchan 4mo ago
    Neat, thanks for this correction! Interesting, an entire new programming language.
    - pjmlp 4mo ago
      And a microkernel based OS with capabilities. Another example that microkernels actually do have market share.
- Aachen 4mo ago
  Low DRM? I looked at Huawei devices because I figured they'd have to sell them here super cheap because of this downside most Europeans people will even see as a showstopper ("how will I install my precious WhatsApp??"), but - they're among the most expensive (I could afford that if needed though) - they don't allow hardware unlock (ehh.. what's the point, then, if I get a locked-down device with Chinese surprises!)
  - animuchan 4mo ago
    OK yeah I didn't know they stopped allowing to root. Normal levels of DRM then, my mistake, you're right.
- aerzen 4mo ago
  It seems like China is becoming the "freedom superpower" while USA is getting "corporate superpower" vibes. Huh
  - surajrmal 4mo ago
    I'm curious why you think China is actually more open in this regard. The CCP has direct influence over the apps that are allowed to be installed on these phones. There is nothing more free about them.
tsimionescu 4mo ago
No, Google is barred from providing any services to them by the US government.
koolala 4mo ago
not like that no, some US carriers don't allow them though like AT&T blocks you to google or apple phones. for them only pixel supports a way out with graphene.

kodebach 4mo ago

If you're building the APK, you're probably installing via ADB, in which case none of the changes apply