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> with teleoperation assistance Privacy nightmare. Bunch of random, low-paid operators looking around inside my home. No thanks!

ImPostingOnHN 4mo ago
Not just looking, this robot has write access to your house too
imp0cat 4mo ago
Is that really a concern? Pretty much any robovac nowadays has a camera and a wireless connection to the cloud and nobody seems to care.
- elil17 4mo ago
  The difference is between the possibility someone might look and the guarantee that they are looking.
- xienze 4mo ago
  Just because a large percentage of the population either lacks the ability to understand why it's bad to have a livestream of your home being sent to China or simply doesn't care doesn't mean it's not a problem. Second, for robot vacuums you can flash them with Valetudo, a completely local control interface. The robots even run a custom DNS server that prevents them from ever phoning home.
- andsoitis 4mo ago
  > nobody seems to care. I don't care if nobody else cares, but I care. If someone crafted a home/garden robot that is fully autonomous using local AI or something like that then I'd be interested.
xpct 4mo ago
I find the operator point of view equally horrifying. Likely, they will run an OCR scan to blur any text seen through the cameras. Also likely, they would run a vision model classifying identifiable information: people walking past, hanged photos or even paintings, TV screens, maybe even the view outside the window? For safety purposes, I imagine it's also worth identifying handheld tools such as knives, bats, etc., all done so the operator risks are minimized. Fair enough, and I'm not arguing against that, there's just something distasteful about the operator having to walk around in a largely obscured, muted camera feed, looking for traces of underwear scattered around the house.
zajio1am 4mo ago
It is not really much different than paying for cleaning, the cleaning person also sees inside of house.
- andsoitis 4mo ago
  they don't record everything and store it on a company's servers somewhere where it is used for who knows what. as an aside, a human that I hire can do a much wider range of tasks than a robot PLUS it is income for a family.

ImPostingOnHN 4mo ago

Not just looking, this robot has write access to your house too

imp0cat 4mo ago

Is that really a concern? Pretty much any robovac nowadays has a camera and a wireless connection to the cloud and nobody seems to care.

elil17 4mo ago
The difference is between the possibility someone might look and the guarantee that they are looking.
xienze 4mo ago
Just because a large percentage of the population either lacks the ability to understand why it's bad to have a livestream of your home being sent to China or simply doesn't care doesn't mean it's not a problem. Second, for robot vacuums you can flash them with Valetudo, a completely local control interface. The robots even run a custom DNS server that prevents them from ever phoning home.
andsoitis 4mo ago
> nobody seems to care. I don't care if nobody else cares, but I care. If someone crafted a home/garden robot that is fully autonomous using local AI or something like that then I'd be interested.

xpct 4mo ago

I find the operator point of view equally horrifying. Likely, they will run an OCR scan to blur any text seen through the cameras. Also likely, they would run a vision model classifying identifiable information: people walking past, hanged photos or even paintings, TV screens, maybe even the view outside the window? For safety purposes, I imagine it's also worth identifying handheld tools such as knives, bats, etc., all done so the operator risks are minimized. Fair enough, and I'm not arguing against that, there's just something distasteful about the operator having to walk around in a largely obscured, muted camera feed, looking for traces of underwear scattered around the house.

zajio1am 4mo ago

It is not really much different than paying for cleaning, the cleaning person also sees inside of house.

andsoitis 4mo ago
they don't record everything and store it on a company's servers somewhere where it is used for who knows what. as an aside, a human that I hire can do a much wider range of tasks than a robot PLUS it is income for a family.