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He sent a harsh email to ICE's top official. Federal agents tracked him down
- ChiperSoft 4mo agoI know the ACLU is involved, but for crying out loud, the very first thing they should have done after the first visit was call a lawyer, before he even got on a plane to come home.
- vrsgjye 4mo ago[dead]
- gordian-mind 4mo ago[flagged]
- neuroticnews25 4mo agoI can understand there are acceptable reasons other than intimidation to check on people sending letters like this, but this absolutely is non-violent criticism.
- OutOfHere 4mo agoThere is no acceptable reason to "check on" him for it. It is political criticism written in an attention gathering way is all. Odds are that a standard critical message would never gain the mind's attention, so people have to get creative. Also, for better or worse, the "check" these days allegedly happens more commonly by hacking into the person's devices to monitor them for a while.
- phendrenad2 4mo agoPeople are consistently surprised when the government doesn't operate exactly according to the letter of the law. There are ample opportunities to learn this before you get to this point. Jaywalking may be illegal but people do it right in front of a cop and get away with it. Likewise plenty of things that are perfectly legal attract law enforcement attention. If you asked 100 people on the street if that letter constitutes a threat, I believe that 5-10% would say yes, so sending something like that is definitely asking for trouble. And yes, I'm victim-blaming, because the victim is partially to blame.
- OutOfHere 4mo agoThat may be so, but it's unlikely that a jury would find him guilty. Moreover, those 5-10% would probably not be able to narrow or support their allegation if probed.
- ImPostingOnHN 4mo ago> If you asked 100 people on the street if that letter constitutes a threat, I believe that 5-10% would say yes, so sending something like that is definitely asking for trouble Something is "asking for trouble" if a tiny minority think it is? I think not. That would be extreme minority rule, not democracy. If you ask 100 reasonable people if that letter constitutes a threat, and 90-95% say "no", then the remaining 5-10% should accept that their opinions are unreasonable, and defer to reasonable people, and drop the matter.
- tpoacher 4mo agoBlack people constitute 13% of the US. Should opinions exclusive to black communities be ignored and dismissed as unreasonable?
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- OutOfHere 4mo agoMinorities often seek to engage in witch hunts. Opinions should never matter when it comes to law enforcement. The facts and logic should. The fact is that even if a minority assert the email to be a threat, upon probing there is no way they can explain why or how it is threat. An objective analysis should be sought. You can read one by cgpt in its shared conversation ID 6a46a4f2-82fc-83ea-89bf-de6e6108070c which clearly determines it is not a threat.
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- cucumber3732842 4mo ago>There is no acceptable reason to... You know that. I know that. But that sort of identify and harass anyone who is a thorn in your side or otherwise noteworthy for a bad reason workflow is absolutely the status quo in government from the highest and mightiest federal agencies down to your local permitting office. These people are living in a filter bubble running organizations staffed by people from the same filter bubble. They don't understand what they're doing is even wrong.
- gordian-mind 4mo ago[flagged]
- goatlover 4mo agoWhere's the threat that would necessitate a visit? It's not like he had a pizza delivered to the official's home.
- OutOfHere 4mo agoIt is not a threat. All else is legally allowed. The man's right to petition his government was harmed. And did he have to petition in this way? Yes, he absolutely did, for they listen to nothing else.
- Am4TIfIsER0ppos 4mo ago[flagged]
- laughing_man 4mo ago[flagged]
- OutOfHere 4mo agoYou don't know that, and are speaking out of your ass. Go back and read the article because it's in there. And the public sympathy is strong.
- laughing_man 4mo agoSure, in the 30% of the population that consists of die-hard Trump haters. That's not the average American, though.
- OutOfHere 4mo agoFreedom of speech is not a partisan issue, and is strongly a matter of principle and of core constitutional rights. When you take it away, you're left with a country that is not worth defending. Think about it. Moreover, we know from extensive news coverage that the ICE facilities are hell. It is reasonable to expect that they offer humane facilities, appropriate food, and good medical care, also that they don't detain anyone for too long.
- laughing_man 4mo agoIt's true freedom of speech isn't a partisan issue, but you don't want to make a cause célèbre out of someone this toxic. It's counter-productive, since it causes normal people to think free speech isn't all it's cracked up to be. The ICE facilities are not "hell". They're no better or worse than US prisons. Which is okay, since that's what they are. And nobody is forced to be there "too long". They can go back to their country of origin at any time.
- kelvinjps10 4mo agoWhat do the flagged comments used to say #?
- orbital-decay 4mo agoYou can turn showdead on in your profile to see them.