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Codex is more generous with their subscribers because they are second place, and have to climb the reputation ladder. I suspect if OpenAI was in Anthropic's ma

by hx8 3mo ago

Codex is more generous with their subscribers because they are second place, and have to climb the reputation ladder. I suspect if OpenAI was in Anthropic's market position they too would have tighter sub limits, gate-keep where their oauth tokens can be used tighter, and play games that move users towards per-token spend.

scotty79 3mo ago
> because they are second place In popularity. Which is crazy because they are first when it comes to everything else for quite some time and Fable isn't changing that all that much because of muzzling.
merlindru 3mo ago
i think its a combination of these: - OAIs models are much more token efficient. in some cases their new mythos-level model uses 1/4th of the tokens that mythos does. - they reportedly have recently found another way to decrease compute needed "by half" in a breakthrough - early on, they ensured they have much more compute ready, whereas Anthropic had to disable new users signing up because they ran out of compute - OAI has fewer users (5mln codex users vs, what, 10mln claude code users?)
- mtsolitary 3mo ago
  Link to source for the breakthrough in inference compute? Are you talking about prefill?
  - howdareme9 3mo ago
    source is the theinformation, but its only for logged out chatgpt users https://aiweekly.co/alerts/openai-engineers-say-theyve-more-than-halved-inference-costs https://aiweekly.co/alerts/openai-engineers-say-theyve-more-...
  - djmips 3mo ago
    Maybe they read some Deepseek papers.
gpt5 3mo ago
Competition is good.
sscaryterry 3mo ago
Soon enough the tables will turn again, anthropic will be begging people to come back.
nickalaso 3mo ago
Yes, I distinctly remember the recent past when the roles were reversed, and Anthropic was the kind good hearted startup trying to compete with big evil OpenAI corporation. Wonder how many times we get to see it flip back and forth before this bubble explodes.

by hx8 3mo ago

scotty79 3mo ago

> because they are second place In popularity. Which is crazy because they are first when it comes to everything else for quite some time and Fable isn't changing that all that much because of muzzling.

merlindru 3mo ago

i think its a combination of these: - OAIs models are much more token efficient. in some cases their new mythos-level model uses 1/4th of the tokens that mythos does. - they reportedly have recently found another way to decrease compute needed "by half" in a breakthrough - early on, they ensured they have much more compute ready, whereas Anthropic had to disable new users signing up because they ran out of compute - OAI has fewer users (5mln codex users vs, what, 10mln claude code users?)

mtsolitary 3mo ago
Link to source for the breakthrough in inference compute? Are you talking about prefill?
- howdareme9 3mo ago
  source is the theinformation, but its only for logged out chatgpt users https://aiweekly.co/alerts/openai-engineers-say-theyve-more-than-halved-inference-costs https://aiweekly.co/alerts/openai-engineers-say-theyve-more-...
- djmips 3mo ago
  Maybe they read some Deepseek papers.

gpt5 3mo ago

Competition is good.

sscaryterry 3mo ago

Soon enough the tables will turn again, anthropic will be begging people to come back.

nickalaso 3mo ago

Yes, I distinctly remember the recent past when the roles were reversed, and Anthropic was the kind good hearted startup trying to compete with big evil OpenAI corporation. Wonder how many times we get to see it flip back and forth before this bubble explodes.