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> The researchers emphasize that, like all vaccines, mRNA vaccines can have side effects. They found that serious adverse events—such as myocarditis, which occu

> The researchers emphasize that, like all vaccines, mRNA vaccines can have side effects. They found that serious adverse events—such as myocarditis, which occurs more frequently in younger males—are rare and consistently outweighed by the vaccines’ protection reminder to the myocarditis-maxxies, the actual virus causes that too and the 2020-2021 variants caused it worse if we were all going to drop dead (I think 2 years ago now, I’m waaaaiting!) for whatever the vaccine did, it would apply to a broader population due to covid exposure

antonvs 4mo ago
> if we were all going to drop dead (I think 2 years ago now, I’m waaaaiting!) Channeling Monty Python: ... I got better
ifyoubuildit 4mo ago
> reminder to the myocarditis-maxxies, the actual virus causes that too and the 2020-2021 variants caused it worse Do you know if the vaccine prevented the virus-induced myocarditis? Cause the vaccine didn't do much to stop people from getting covid, multiple times even. So many people frame this as either/or, you either had the risk of covid induced myocarditis or you had the (supposed) lesser risk of myocarditis from the vaccine. But if you got the vaccine (x times) and then covid (y times), isn't your risk roughly x + y?
- yieldcrv 4mo ago
  I want to empathize with you, plenty of medical professionals used really reductive and inaccurate language that should be rightfully criticized. stopping people from getting covid being one of those things none of those were goals of the vaccine, so its a fruitless exercise to build on top of they communicated poorly at all levels the one time society needed them to communicate effectively, and lost the public trust The goal was to reduce the spread overall, lessen the symptoms for individuals, have your own body fight it faster instead of becoming a factory for it, de-risking cytokine storms
- amluto 4mo ago
  The comparison of cardiovascular safety with vs without the vaccine is not even close: https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/covid-19-vaccinations-and-heart https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/covid-19-vaccinati... (Personally, I wish researchers would not forgot quite so often that there is a non-mRNA COVID vaccine available in the US. Where's all the analysis of the effects of the Novavax vaccine?)
  - blub 4mo ago
    The myocarditis as caused by e.g. Moderna was affecting teen males and you posted a link to a blog which linked to a study about 70 year old US veterans.
    - croon 4mo ago
      If you're referring to the Mike Kwan paper, he was on (I believe, it was years ago) the Science Vs podcast to debunk claims by the likes of Malone and Rogan regarding his study. But yes, there are instances of myocarditis from vaccines, but occurance was 4-5/100k as opposed to unvaccinated 200/100k. Edit: in his words: > MK: All the cases were hospitalised because we wanted to perform a detailed workup for them > RR: So they didn't need to be there to, like, keep them alive. > WZ: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. In fact, he said that that these these patients, they all cleared up with either painkillers[50] like ibuprofen … > MK: Some of them even not require medications, and they just take a rest, and eventually they recover by themselves, and none of them got severe complications, and no cases of mortality, most importantly. And all of them recover and went back home. And so far, some patients are being followed up around 7 months[51] and they’re very good, no problem, so this is very good news.
vlian2088 4mo ago
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OrvalWintermute 4mo ago
“Rare”? :) We don’t know the actual numbers as pericarditis and myocarditis can occur asymptomatically, and people truly need to be under very active medical surveillance to detect it
- zmgsabst 4mo ago
  I believe Thailand did actively monitor some kids and found about 1 in 35 childhood COVID vaccinations.
blub 4mo ago
Myocarditis-maxxies will likely never take off as an insult, but vaxmaxxer just might :) Shortness, pronunciation and simplicity all play a role. Anyway, that statement is actually useless. The moment it became clear that some vaccine increases the risk of myocarditis, several European countries swapped them out for the less risky variants, like any sane person would. The only people still fighting these windmills are the online kind.

antonvs 4mo ago

> if we were all going to drop dead (I think 2 years ago now, I’m waaaaiting!) Channeling Monty Python: ... I got better

ifyoubuildit 4mo ago

> reminder to the myocarditis-maxxies, the actual virus causes that too and the 2020-2021 variants caused it worse Do you know if the vaccine prevented the virus-induced myocarditis? Cause the vaccine didn't do much to stop people from getting covid, multiple times even. So many people frame this as either/or, you either had the risk of covid induced myocarditis or you had the (supposed) lesser risk of myocarditis from the vaccine. But if you got the vaccine (x times) and then covid (y times), isn't your risk roughly x + y?

yieldcrv 4mo ago
I want to empathize with you, plenty of medical professionals used really reductive and inaccurate language that should be rightfully criticized. stopping people from getting covid being one of those things none of those were goals of the vaccine, so its a fruitless exercise to build on top of they communicated poorly at all levels the one time society needed them to communicate effectively, and lost the public trust The goal was to reduce the spread overall, lessen the symptoms for individuals, have your own body fight it faster instead of becoming a factory for it, de-risking cytokine storms
amluto 4mo ago
The comparison of cardiovascular safety with vs without the vaccine is not even close: https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/covid-19-vaccinations-and-heart https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/covid-19-vaccinati... (Personally, I wish researchers would not forgot quite so often that there is a non-mRNA COVID vaccine available in the US. Where's all the analysis of the effects of the Novavax vaccine?)
- blub 4mo ago
  The myocarditis as caused by e.g. Moderna was affecting teen males and you posted a link to a blog which linked to a study about 70 year old US veterans.
  - croon 4mo ago
    If you're referring to the Mike Kwan paper, he was on (I believe, it was years ago) the Science Vs podcast to debunk claims by the likes of Malone and Rogan regarding his study. But yes, there are instances of myocarditis from vaccines, but occurance was 4-5/100k as opposed to unvaccinated 200/100k. Edit: in his words: > MK: All the cases were hospitalised because we wanted to perform a detailed workup for them > RR: So they didn't need to be there to, like, keep them alive. > WZ: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. In fact, he said that that these these patients, they all cleared up with either painkillers[50] like ibuprofen … > MK: Some of them even not require medications, and they just take a rest, and eventually they recover by themselves, and none of them got severe complications, and no cases of mortality, most importantly. And all of them recover and went back home. And so far, some patients are being followed up around 7 months[51] and they’re very good, no problem, so this is very good news.

vlian2088 4mo ago

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OrvalWintermute 4mo ago

“Rare”? :) We don’t know the actual numbers as pericarditis and myocarditis can occur asymptomatically, and people truly need to be under very active medical surveillance to detect it

zmgsabst 4mo ago
I believe Thailand did actively monitor some kids and found about 1 in 35 childhood COVID vaccinations.

blub 4mo ago

Myocarditis-maxxies will likely never take off as an insult, but vaxmaxxer just might :) Shortness, pronunciation and simplicity all play a role. Anyway, that statement is actually useless. The moment it became clear that some vaccine increases the risk of myocarditis, several European countries swapped them out for the less risky variants, like any sane person would. The only people still fighting these windmills are the online kind.