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And here I was hoping they'd decided to support Linux on the Snapdragon X2 chips.

by LorenDB 3mo ago

wmf 3mo ago
It's happening: https://www.phoronix.com/news/HP-EliteBook-X-G2q-Linux https://www.phoronix.com/news/HP-EliteBook-X-G2q-Linux
- senectus1 3mo ago
  holy hell.. the price tags...!
  - geerlingguy 3mo ago
    $4,300-$6,000+, wow you're not wrong. And that's just 32 or 64 GB of RAM.
  - wmf 3mo ago
    Something has gone wrong at HP. They are also charging $7,000 for Strix Halo.
    - esseph 3mo ago
      HP is nuts HPE I've had very good luck with for HCI.
  - r_lee 3mo ago
    why on earth would anyone buy that shit if you can buy a macbook pro that literally looks and feels like art vs. a plastic windows laptop? it used to be that Apple was the pricier option but I guess not anymore
    - aacid 3mo ago
      someone who doesn't want apple experience? I really don't need "art" computer if I'm not able to do what I want on it.
    - alessandroberna 3mo ago
      Of course a 1000$+ windows laptop is going to look and feel like a low end 300$ one /s
    - __patchbit__ 3mo ago
      macos desktop aesthetics have regressed, they managed to screw the rounded corners and the colors are too much macbook m series processor laptops have the camera notch and frankenturd look and feel thinkpads feel better and the hinge opens all the way
    - abc42 3mo ago
      The ability to run Linux properly would be worth about a $1000, if it was reality. But it isn't, so...
    - nickserv 3mo ago
      The problem with MacBook is that they have a shit OS...
  - modeless 3mo ago
    That's crazy, $4,586 for 32 GB RAM? Asus is selling an X2 Elite Extreme laptop with 48 GB RAM for $1,699.99 and it's in stock at Best Buy today. What is HP thinking?
    - red_admiral 3mo ago
      At some point, RAM arbitrage will be profitable at small scale: buy a complete PC, rip the RAM out, dump the rest and resell online.
- diabllicseagull 3mo ago
  From the June 4th article: "These patches are a result of a collaboration between a couple of Qualcomm engineers taking part in an internal sprint and were created over 3 days." it's not giving me any warm and fuzzy.
  - aseipp 3mo ago
    They've been upstreaming drivers for the X2 platform for months at this point, since at least late 2025 (just search "glymur" or "kaanapali" on LKML). The patch referenced in the Phoronix article is just a device tree file. That is the easiest part of the whole thing. As usual he's just farming every random LKML patch he can for clicks.
    - wmf 3mo ago
      The open source world has a habit of leaving the easiest part of the whole thing unfinished for years or decades, so I salute this patch and I salute Phoronix for calling attention to it.
      - aseipp 3mo ago
        Point well taken.
- abc42 3mo ago
  I used to believe, but now it seems to me that AMD and Intel will match Snapdragon's efficiency on x86 before that stuff is stable.
_fzslm 3mo ago
I have a gorgeous Surface Pro 11 X1 Elite that can run just enough Linux to tease me with how beautiful it could be, but it's still unstable enough that I can't daily it. Torture.
- pylotlight 3mo ago
  It's really that weak?
keyle 3mo ago
I recently tried to get BSD/Linux to work on my omnibook X 14 and... it's been a journey! Eventually I got it to work well with [1] and extracted firmware off github because I had wiped Windows and all partitions into oblivion. I was looking for the bliss of fan-less linux with ARM. The joy! [2] [1] https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-concept-snapdragon-x-elite/48800 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-concept-snapdragon-x-e... [2] the fans are ON permanently
- mrheosuper 3mo ago
  If you want fanless arm linux machine, why not macbook m2 air + asahi linux ?
  - keyle 3mo ago
    Because at the time of my purchase I mistakenly believed that fan-less was a given for an ARM laptop; and that ARM laptops were a lot more supported than Apple products; some big names were using ARM linux and raving about it. It's still is a great laptop and I recommend it for the hardware overall, but not fan-less indeed.
  - pseudosavant 3mo ago
    Asahi still doesn't support a lot of basic things like: external displays, Thunderbolt, hardware accelerated video decoding, 120hz refresh rate, etc.
    - cromka 3mo ago
      120Hz is supported, iirc.
    - atlimar 3mo ago
      It supports external displays, just not on any port
      - pseudosavant 3mo ago
        I was going by Asahi's own support page: https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/m1/ https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/m1/ It seems that external displays are only supported on HDMI (e.g. Mac Mini) but DP Alt mode is still listed as WIP so I'd assume MacBook's with only USB-C (all of them?) can't support an external display.
disdi89 3mo ago
It is sad to see that they still do not support Snapdragon products with Linux offically as a product
pjmlp 3mo ago
When will folks learn companies only support Linux or any other FOSS to the extent their own business goals? None of them are on the game for the well being of the community or whatever. Profits and lower R&D costs, that is all.
- guilamu 3mo ago
  Wouldn't you say that Valve is an exception to that rule?
  - jogu 3mo ago
    No, I think Valve prioritizing an open platform independent of Microsoft aligns with their business goals. They’re doing it in a manner that has broad benefits, but it’s definitely a win-win situation.
    - tlamponi 3mo ago
      Sure, but Qualcomm upstreaming their support to mainline would also have broad benefits for them and be a win-win. Their C-suits & bean counters are seemingly just not getting that themselves nor having anyone that knows that high enough the hierachy...
      - re-thc 3mo ago
        Qualcomm aims to sue and monopolize so no sharing is caring for them. They want control.
  - MindSpunk 3mo ago
    Valve is just hedging against Microsoft having a big red button to kill Steam. They've built their kingdom on top of Microsoft, and Microsoft would love to have it for themselves I'm sure. It's in Valve's best interest to divorce themselves from Windows to protect themselves from Microsoft. It happens to also benefit the Linux gaming crowd, but it's still ultimately self-interest driving the work. The engineers doing the work are probably doing it for the altruistic reasons, but ultimately Valve is writing the cheques.
bfrog 3mo ago
Nah they'd rather try to continue to force snapdragon on windows where no one actually cares about this and the experience is trash. AArch64 is dead for Windows and client Linux, and the knife is in Qualcomm's hands.
officeplant 3mo ago
Never trust Qualcomm in the linux space. It only leads to frustration. Somehow I've had to learn this lesson more than once because I'm not the smartest ARM addict.

And here I was hoping they'd decided to support Linux on the Snapdragon X2 chips.

by LorenDB 3mo ago

And here I was hoping they'd decided to support Linux on the Snapdragon X2 chips.

wmf 3mo ago

It's happening: https://www.phoronix.com/news/HP-EliteBook-X-G2q-Linux https://www.phoronix.com/news/HP-EliteBook-X-G2q-Linux

senectus1 3mo ago
holy hell.. the price tags...!
- geerlingguy 3mo ago
  $4,300-$6,000+, wow you're not wrong. And that's just 32 or 64 GB of RAM.
- wmf 3mo ago
  Something has gone wrong at HP. They are also charging $7,000 for Strix Halo.
  - esseph 3mo ago
    HP is nuts HPE I've had very good luck with for HCI.
- r_lee 3mo ago
  why on earth would anyone buy that shit if you can buy a macbook pro that literally looks and feels like art vs. a plastic windows laptop? it used to be that Apple was the pricier option but I guess not anymore
  - aacid 3mo ago
    someone who doesn't want apple experience? I really don't need "art" computer if I'm not able to do what I want on it.
  - alessandroberna 3mo ago
    Of course a 1000$+ windows laptop is going to look and feel like a low end 300$ one /s
  - __patchbit__ 3mo ago
    macos desktop aesthetics have regressed, they managed to screw the rounded corners and the colors are too much macbook m series processor laptops have the camera notch and frankenturd look and feel thinkpads feel better and the hinge opens all the way
  - abc42 3mo ago
    The ability to run Linux properly would be worth about a $1000, if it was reality. But it isn't, so...
  - nickserv 3mo ago
    The problem with MacBook is that they have a shit OS...
- modeless 3mo ago
  That's crazy, $4,586 for 32 GB RAM? Asus is selling an X2 Elite Extreme laptop with 48 GB RAM for $1,699.99 and it's in stock at Best Buy today. What is HP thinking?
  - red_admiral 3mo ago
    At some point, RAM arbitrage will be profitable at small scale: buy a complete PC, rip the RAM out, dump the rest and resell online.
diabllicseagull 3mo ago
From the June 4th article: "These patches are a result of a collaboration between a couple of Qualcomm engineers taking part in an internal sprint and were created over 3 days." it's not giving me any warm and fuzzy.
- aseipp 3mo ago
  They've been upstreaming drivers for the X2 platform for months at this point, since at least late 2025 (just search "glymur" or "kaanapali" on LKML). The patch referenced in the Phoronix article is just a device tree file. That is the easiest part of the whole thing. As usual he's just farming every random LKML patch he can for clicks.
  - wmf 3mo ago
    The open source world has a habit of leaving the easiest part of the whole thing unfinished for years or decades, so I salute this patch and I salute Phoronix for calling attention to it.
    - aseipp 3mo ago
      Point well taken.
abc42 3mo ago
I used to believe, but now it seems to me that AMD and Intel will match Snapdragon's efficiency on x86 before that stuff is stable.

_fzslm 3mo ago

I have a gorgeous Surface Pro 11 X1 Elite that can run just enough Linux to tease me with how beautiful it could be, but it's still unstable enough that I can't daily it. Torture.

pylotlight 3mo ago
It's really that weak?

keyle 3mo ago

I recently tried to get BSD/Linux to work on my omnibook X 14 and... it's been a journey! Eventually I got it to work well with [1] and extracted firmware off github because I had wiped Windows and all partitions into oblivion. I was looking for the bliss of fan-less linux with ARM. The joy! [2] [1] https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-concept-snapdragon-x-elite/48800 https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-concept-snapdragon-x-e... [2] the fans are ON permanently

mrheosuper 3mo ago
If you want fanless arm linux machine, why not macbook m2 air + asahi linux ?
- keyle 3mo ago
  Because at the time of my purchase I mistakenly believed that fan-less was a given for an ARM laptop; and that ARM laptops were a lot more supported than Apple products; some big names were using ARM linux and raving about it. It's still is a great laptop and I recommend it for the hardware overall, but not fan-less indeed.
- pseudosavant 3mo ago
  Asahi still doesn't support a lot of basic things like: external displays, Thunderbolt, hardware accelerated video decoding, 120hz refresh rate, etc.
  - cromka 3mo ago
    120Hz is supported, iirc.
  - atlimar 3mo ago
    It supports external displays, just not on any port
    - pseudosavant 3mo ago
      I was going by Asahi's own support page: https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/m1/ https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/m1/ It seems that external displays are only supported on HDMI (e.g. Mac Mini) but DP Alt mode is still listed as WIP so I'd assume MacBook's with only USB-C (all of them?) can't support an external display.

disdi89 3mo ago

It is sad to see that they still do not support Snapdragon products with Linux offically as a product

pjmlp 3mo ago

When will folks learn companies only support Linux or any other FOSS to the extent their own business goals? None of them are on the game for the well being of the community or whatever. Profits and lower R&D costs, that is all.

guilamu 3mo ago
Wouldn't you say that Valve is an exception to that rule?
- jogu 3mo ago
  No, I think Valve prioritizing an open platform independent of Microsoft aligns with their business goals. They’re doing it in a manner that has broad benefits, but it’s definitely a win-win situation.
  - tlamponi 3mo ago
    Sure, but Qualcomm upstreaming their support to mainline would also have broad benefits for them and be a win-win. Their C-suits & bean counters are seemingly just not getting that themselves nor having anyone that knows that high enough the hierachy...
    - re-thc 3mo ago
      Qualcomm aims to sue and monopolize so no sharing is caring for them. They want control.
- MindSpunk 3mo ago
  Valve is just hedging against Microsoft having a big red button to kill Steam. They've built their kingdom on top of Microsoft, and Microsoft would love to have it for themselves I'm sure. It's in Valve's best interest to divorce themselves from Windows to protect themselves from Microsoft. It happens to also benefit the Linux gaming crowd, but it's still ultimately self-interest driving the work. The engineers doing the work are probably doing it for the altruistic reasons, but ultimately Valve is writing the cheques.

bfrog 3mo ago

Nah they'd rather try to continue to force snapdragon on windows where no one actually cares about this and the experience is trash. AArch64 is dead for Windows and client Linux, and the knife is in Qualcomm's hands.

officeplant 3mo ago

Never trust Qualcomm in the linux space. It only leads to frustration. Somehow I've had to learn this lesson more than once because I'm not the smartest ARM addict.