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If you think the US has an "abysmal" track record on this, what words would you use to describe China's track record?
by estearum 4mo ago
If you think the US has an "abysmal" track record on this, what words would you use to describe China's track record?
- D2OQZG8l5BI1S06 4mo ago"abysmal" probably.
- Yiin 4mo agodepends if you look through China citizen point of view or someone in the west
- Natfan 4mo agoalso abysmal. two things can be bad at the same time
- pkulak 4mo agoYeah, but if you reach for the top shelf every time you need a word, you can't compare things anymore.
- froh42 4mo agoBut really, where is the difference in data misuse from the US and China? Because the US has been "friends" in the past?
- preg_match 4mo agoIt’s just a coincidence that both the US and china have the absolute worst privacy concerns. They are the top shelf IMO. Comparing them I’d say they’re about equal, really, especially once we consider the financial sector and credit.
- estearum 4mo agolmfao You know you're sitting here on the open Internet complaining about the US government with literally zero fear of any repercussions in any sense whatsoever? You should go to an actual authoritarian country and just ask someone their opinion on their government. The difference between flippant, hyperbolic complaining (you) and someone who will actually glance over their shoulder and totally clam up in response to that type of question is quite chilling in reality.
- LtWorf 4mo agoPerhaps you have not heard of Francesca Albanese? USA government does repercussions, severe ones.
- preg_match 4mo agoThe US is not authoritarian. But in terms of surveillance and privacy violations, we’ve really pushed it to the absolute limit. All of your communications are effectively tapped, especially since the US government can coerce private companies without letting you know. There are very few exceptions, and of those that exist virtually all are under existential threat constantly.
- simjnd 4mo agoIt's far from the top shelf, and even then I can totally still compare. I would say the very concept of privacy (at least when it comes to digital presence) does not exist in China. There are no expectations of privacy and if you need it you have to circumvent the rules. This is worse don't get me wrong. But doesn't take away anything from the fact that the case here is indeed abysmal. Surprises me that on Hacker News of all places, where people are tech-literate and educated, people still seem to trust our companies and governments as if they didn't have an established track record of spying and screwing us over.
- bayarearefugee 4mo agoBoth are abysmal, but as a US citizen bad behavior from Chinese corporations and government is vastly more limited in how negatively it can impact my life in a practical way than bad behavior from US corporations and government.
- npongratz 4mo ago"Abysmal", but that's beside the point. Suppose a US citizen, residing and working in the US and never traveling to China, crosses The Powers That Be. Which Power is more likely to do worse things to said citizen? Pretty unlikely they'll be rendered to one of the illegal Chinese jails in Brooklyn, more likely they'll be sent to Gitmo or a black site.
- londons_explore 4mo agoThis. For a typical citizen, your own government is a far bigger threat than a foreign one. That's why, all other things equal, I try to keep my own government happy or ignorant, but don't really mind what I share with foreign governments, especially ones who won't forward the info to my own government.
- estearum 4mo agoThat's actually not beside the point as it relates to GP's comment.