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The British had perfect rights to that place, both legally, and I would say practically and morally. I am not personally black and white against colonialism as

The British had perfect rights to that place, both legally, and I would say practically and morally. I am not personally black and white against colonialism as a concept anyways if they were better administrators than the natives. Many places in Africa, and yes Israel/Palestine itself would have been much better if it was British. (Even considering their blunder of promising the land to multiple groups, the aftermath would have been much better managed by them.) Let me find that one patch of Africa where human life originated then. We should all have a right to that place. What's so special about the value of 2000 years or whatever number Israel prefers? Why not 4000 years and therefore Babylonians/Iraqis? There is no naturalistic or scientific significance to the value selected by Israel. Let us take Israelis like Netenyahu back to their real homeland, the Steppes of Ukraine. A big portion of Israel trace their genetic origin there, their peoples artifacts are buried in Ukraine, etc etc. Why do you not protest in support of British people of Norman ancestry forcibly taking over France?

gershy 4mo ago
The british withdrew from the palestinian mandate under economic and insurgent pressure. The land which is modern day israel/palestine is the only historically jewish land; if not that land there is no other. The connection between jews, and the land which was judea, is very strong - even after thousands of years jews have a powerful cultural desire to to inhabit that native land, to enact nation-building there, and to defend it. I feel sorry for normans who feel displaced from what is currently french land - it seems they lack either the passion or ability to return, unlike jews vis-a-vis israel (although jews were uniquely catalyzed by the holocaust). Does that make sense and address what you were saying? (Netanyahu would genetically test as levantine descent, not ukrainian steppe - ashkenazis have consistently avoided assimilation and the connection to the levant remains; as a person he also culturally resembles an ashkenazi jew, not a ukrainian)
- hardbass 4mo ago
  Why? Why what's special about 2000 years? Why not 100000 years? Why aren't jews protesting to return to the whatever patch of Africa everyone came out of? And why should not other countries that are hosting jews right now deport them saying its the ancestral land of natives not for jews? If we are to accept Israel's framing, then we must accept these too. Britain should kick out normans and danish blood people. American natives should kick out any white persons, etc etc. Are you sure about netanyahu? How can you say that about a clearly polish looking person without dna test results? What percentage of his dna is Levantine? If it is 10% Levantine and 90% Steppe why is it not laughed out the room if he claims the extreme minority portion of his dna as his primary identity?
  - throw386322 4mo ago
    This argument works both ways. Netanyahu was born in Tel Aviv. You think he is “illegal” in Israel because of his DNA?
    - hardbass 4mo ago
      He is a second generation illegal immigrant of course. I am not making any DNA arguments, I don't support ethnostates. That's Israel's argument, and by Israel's argument, I believe it should be completely justified to deport jews from other countries, since purportedly all jews are genetically and culturally Israeli, and its not proper for a person to have dual loyalties in terms of the countries they are loyal to.
      - throw386322 4mo ago
        His family migrated legally in 1920. You are making a straw-man argument about Israel, which is 20% Arab and is not calling for them to be deported. The “dual loyalties” bit is something you got out of your side’s trope archive.
        hardbass 4mo ago
        If his family immigrated in 1920, then its probably fine, they should probably have legal land ownership deeds from the British government. Why, what is a trope about that? Dual loyalties is a valid question to ask any immigrant or person who declares himself to have his other or real home elsewhere. Which many (not all) jews often do with regard to Israel. Its the same for Chinese, Indians, Nigerians or any other group. Dual nationals or people who feel loyalty to Israel should of course have the freedom of speech like anyone else to say they feel affinity toward any country. But the test I use to answer this question is, should their country launch a war against Israel, which side will they fight for? >The “dual loyalties” bit is something you got out of your side’s trope archive. That's a very pleasant accusation of course. What "side" do you think mine is?
      - gershy 4mo ago

gershy 4mo ago

The british withdrew from the palestinian mandate under economic and insurgent pressure. The land which is modern day israel/palestine is the only historically jewish land; if not that land there is no other. The connection between jews, and the land which was judea, is very strong - even after thousands of years jews have a powerful cultural desire to to inhabit that native land, to enact nation-building there, and to defend it. I feel sorry for normans who feel displaced from what is currently french land - it seems they lack either the passion or ability to return, unlike jews vis-a-vis israel (although jews were uniquely catalyzed by the holocaust). Does that make sense and address what you were saying? (Netanyahu would genetically test as levantine descent, not ukrainian steppe - ashkenazis have consistently avoided assimilation and the connection to the levant remains; as a person he also culturally resembles an ashkenazi jew, not a ukrainian)

hardbass 4mo ago
Why? Why what's special about 2000 years? Why not 100000 years? Why aren't jews protesting to return to the whatever patch of Africa everyone came out of? And why should not other countries that are hosting jews right now deport them saying its the ancestral land of natives not for jews? If we are to accept Israel's framing, then we must accept these too. Britain should kick out normans and danish blood people. American natives should kick out any white persons, etc etc. Are you sure about netanyahu? How can you say that about a clearly polish looking person without dna test results? What percentage of his dna is Levantine? If it is 10% Levantine and 90% Steppe why is it not laughed out the room if he claims the extreme minority portion of his dna as his primary identity?
- throw386322 4mo ago
  This argument works both ways. Netanyahu was born in Tel Aviv. You think he is “illegal” in Israel because of his DNA?
  - hardbass 4mo ago
    He is a second generation illegal immigrant of course. I am not making any DNA arguments, I don't support ethnostates. That's Israel's argument, and by Israel's argument, I believe it should be completely justified to deport jews from other countries, since purportedly all jews are genetically and culturally Israeli, and its not proper for a person to have dual loyalties in terms of the countries they are loyal to.
    - throw386322 4mo ago
      His family migrated legally in 1920. You are making a straw-man argument about Israel, which is 20% Arab and is not calling for them to be deported. The “dual loyalties” bit is something you got out of your side’s trope archive.
      - hardbass 4mo ago
        If his family immigrated in 1920, then its probably fine, they should probably have legal land ownership deeds from the British government. Why, what is a trope about that? Dual loyalties is a valid question to ask any immigrant or person who declares himself to have his other or real home elsewhere. Which many (not all) jews often do with regard to Israel. Its the same for Chinese, Indians, Nigerians or any other group. Dual nationals or people who feel loyalty to Israel should of course have the freedom of speech like anyone else to say they feel affinity toward any country. But the test I use to answer this question is, should their country launch a war against Israel, which side will they fight for? >The “dual loyalties” bit is something you got out of your side’s trope archive. That's a very pleasant accusation of course. What "side" do you think mine is?
    - gershy 4mo ago