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a) it doesn't actually happen that often b) when it does it's usually some stupid situation where robotic adherence to the lights is in poor taste (like a bus

a) it doesn't actually happen that often b) when it does it's usually some stupid situation where robotic adherence to the lights is in poor taste (like a bus picking up or discharging an entire team on a right side curb, or a divided median) albeit legally mandated. c) School bus drivers already radio in plate numbers of anyone who does it in poor taste and the buses mostly already have dashcams so this isn't really solving a problem Source: bus driver in the family

buellerbueller 4mo ago
Happens more school days than not on my street.
vel0city 4mo ago
a) it happens all the time Source: actual statistics instead of just second hand reports from a single bus driver. https://www.ghsa.org/resource-hub/school-bus-safety-action-plan https://www.ghsa.org/resource-hub/school-bus-safety-action-p...
- cucumber3732842 4mo ago
  39mil/yr (coming from the people who want to play up the problem) is less than half a percent of trips. Which is pretty amazing to me considering that a trip is an hour or so of stop and go on surface roads. I assume a huge fraction of that is just from opposing traffic that isn't paying attention or behaving conservatively enough to be in a position to be stopped as soon as it's red. Seriously, this isn't a problem. We're talking a small amount of petty unlawful behavior that almost certainly has a near zero conversion ratio to actual harm to anybody. That's not a good reason to crank the 1984 to 11 and anyone that says it is is a bad person and I'll die on that hill.
pc86 4mo ago
You do not have to stop for a bus if there is a divided median and you're opposing traffic. For the team example, you don't know if someone from the team is going to cross the street so of course you still stop. "This is taking too long" is not a realistic reason to pass a school bus with a giant flashing stop sign on the side of it.

buellerbueller 4mo ago

Happens more school days than not on my street.

vel0city 4mo ago

a) it happens all the time Source: actual statistics instead of just second hand reports from a single bus driver. https://www.ghsa.org/resource-hub/school-bus-safety-action-plan https://www.ghsa.org/resource-hub/school-bus-safety-action-p...

cucumber3732842 4mo ago
39mil/yr (coming from the people who want to play up the problem) is less than half a percent of trips. Which is pretty amazing to me considering that a trip is an hour or so of stop and go on surface roads. I assume a huge fraction of that is just from opposing traffic that isn't paying attention or behaving conservatively enough to be in a position to be stopped as soon as it's red. Seriously, this isn't a problem. We're talking a small amount of petty unlawful behavior that almost certainly has a near zero conversion ratio to actual harm to anybody. That's not a good reason to crank the 1984 to 11 and anyone that says it is is a bad person and I'll die on that hill.

pc86 4mo ago

You do not have to stop for a bus if there is a divided median and you're opposing traffic. For the team example, you don't know if someone from the team is going to cross the street so of course you still stop. "This is taking too long" is not a realistic reason to pass a school bus with a giant flashing stop sign on the side of it.