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> Europe could offer China a lot to tip the balance > Any kind of russian success does not serve China in any capacity That's not what the Chinese policymaker

> Europe could offer China a lot to tip the balance > Any kind of russian success does not serve China in any capacity That's not what the Chinese policymakers think [0][1]. They view the EU as a has-been that thinks it's a global power but lacks the technology or capability to become one [2]. On the other hand, Russia helps China put pressure on Japan [3], South Korea [4], Central Asia [5], backchannel with India [6], allows China to bypass Hormuz [7], and is transferring military IP to China [8]. Even China's foreign minister Wang Yi told Kaja Kallas this point blank [9] and even the Polish policymaking space recognizes this [10]. [0] - https://fddi.fudan.edu.cn/_t2515/57/f8/c21257a743416/page.htm https://fddi.fudan.edu.cn/_t2515/57/f8/c21257a743416/page.ht... [1] - https://ies.cass.cn/cn/work/comment/202206/t20220601_5410899.shtml https://ies.cass.cn/cn/work/comment/202206/t20220601_5410899... [2] - https://www.ccpit.org/france/a/20260623/20260623vb86.html https://www.ccpit.org/france/a/20260623/20260623vb86.html [3] - https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/russian-bombers-join-chinese-air-patrol-near-japan-tokyo-beijing-tie-strains-2025-12-10/ https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/russian-b... [4] - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqxq38028djo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqxq38028djo [5] - https://www.reuters.com/world/china-looks-strengthen-ties-russias-central-asian-backyard-2023-05-17/ https://www.reuters.com/world/china-looks-strengthen-ties-ru... [6] - https://eastasiaforum.org/2020/10/23/how-russia-emerged-as-key-mediator-in-the-china-india-dispute/ https://eastasiaforum.org/2020/10/23/how-russia-emerged-as-k... [7] - https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3345920/more-gas-russia-china-flags-new-pipeline-links-amid-iran-energy-crisis https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3345920/m... [8] - https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/how-russia-helping-china-prepare-seize-taiwan https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/comme... [9] - https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3316875/china-tells-eu-it-cannot-afford-russian-loss-ukraine-war-sources-say https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3316875/ch... [10] - https://www.osw.waw.pl/en/publikacje/osw-commentary/2025-01-20/three-years-war-ukraine-chinese-russian-alliance-passes-test https://www.osw.waw.pl/en/publikacje/osw-commentary/2025-01-...

scotty79 4mo ago
> They view the EU as a has-been that thinks it's a global power but lacks the technology or capability to become one Which is spot on. That's why Europe should do everything in their power to facilitate technology sharing.
- alephnerd 4mo ago
  And China is not interested in doing so with European states let alone other countries. Heck, the PRC just passed legislation that all technology transfers outside of China need final approval from the central government [0]. And as I pointed out above but you ignored, China does not view the EU as an equal nor as a potential partner. They just like the US are more interested in bilateral relations with individual states that are pliable to them instead of the supranational EU. [0] - https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/china-toughens-rules-outbound-investment-after-meta-manus-contention-2026-06-01/ https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/china-toughens-ru...
  - scotty79 4mo ago
    China is super interested in spreading their influence using market means. They'd happily set up shop in Europe. And when the shop is set up in a foreign land the technology spreads naturally as US learned with China.
    - alephnerd 4mo ago
      > China is super interested in spreading their influence using market means Not if it means giving up IP and knowhow to partners - hence Chinese government policy shifts to enact mass export controls [0] out of national security concerns > And when the shop is set up in a foreign land the technology spreads naturally as US learned with China The US along with allies like South Korea, Japan, and West Germany transferred IP to China in the 1980s to 2000s which helped build their capacity in industries like automotive (VW-SAIC) and battery tech (BYD-Samsung, CATL-TDK). China has changed it's regulations to prevent domestic players and foreign businesses operating in China from transferring know-how out of China, as was seen with the export controls China put on Apple and BYD suppliers [1] shifting to India and ASEAN. ---- As I have pointed to you with sources 1. China has significant disdain for Europe 2. China has significant strategic linkages with Russia that cannot be broken 3. China is actively clamping down on IP and technology transfers leaving China China - just like the US - is uninterested in negotiating with the EU as equals nor in providing it capabilities for technological self sufficiency. [0] - https://m.guancha.cn/politics/2026_06_02_819137.shtml https://m.guancha.cn/politics/2026_06_02_819137.shtml [1] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-01-17/china-moves-to-stall-apple-byd-production-shifts-across-asia https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-01-17/china-mov...

scotty79 4mo ago

> They view the EU as a has-been that thinks it's a global power but lacks the technology or capability to become one Which is spot on. That's why Europe should do everything in their power to facilitate technology sharing.

alephnerd 4mo ago
And China is not interested in doing so with European states let alone other countries. Heck, the PRC just passed legislation that all technology transfers outside of China need final approval from the central government [0]. And as I pointed out above but you ignored, China does not view the EU as an equal nor as a potential partner. They just like the US are more interested in bilateral relations with individual states that are pliable to them instead of the supranational EU. [0] - https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/china-toughens-rules-outbound-investment-after-meta-manus-contention-2026-06-01/ https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/china-toughens-ru...
- scotty79 4mo ago
  China is super interested in spreading their influence using market means. They'd happily set up shop in Europe. And when the shop is set up in a foreign land the technology spreads naturally as US learned with China.
  - alephnerd 4mo ago
    > China is super interested in spreading their influence using market means Not if it means giving up IP and knowhow to partners - hence Chinese government policy shifts to enact mass export controls [0] out of national security concerns > And when the shop is set up in a foreign land the technology spreads naturally as US learned with China The US along with allies like South Korea, Japan, and West Germany transferred IP to China in the 1980s to 2000s which helped build their capacity in industries like automotive (VW-SAIC) and battery tech (BYD-Samsung, CATL-TDK). China has changed it's regulations to prevent domestic players and foreign businesses operating in China from transferring know-how out of China, as was seen with the export controls China put on Apple and BYD suppliers [1] shifting to India and ASEAN. ---- As I have pointed to you with sources 1. China has significant disdain for Europe 2. China has significant strategic linkages with Russia that cannot be broken 3. China is actively clamping down on IP and technology transfers leaving China China - just like the US - is uninterested in negotiating with the EU as equals nor in providing it capabilities for technological self sufficiency. [0] - https://m.guancha.cn/politics/2026_06_02_819137.shtml https://m.guancha.cn/politics/2026_06_02_819137.shtml [1] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-01-17/china-moves-to-stall-apple-byd-production-shifts-across-asia https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-01-17/china-mov...