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I feel like there's a tendency to lump the net and the web into the same thing, when in reality the net isn't dead, the web is
by mghackerlady 3mo ago
I feel like there's a tendency to lump the net and the web into the same thing, when in reality the net isn't dead, the web is
- 1over137 3mo agoBut what non-web parts are left? email lists, usenet, gopher, etc. are deathly quiet.
- mghackerlady 3mo agoGopher is still kinda active, usenet has a few holdouts, email is as alive as ever, gemini is niche but there, IRC refuses to die, atproto is just getting off the ground, activitypub is a thing in some circles, matrix is around in some circles, xmpp is the only non-shit messaging standard, and I'd argue the "platforms" of today (facebook, twitter, instagram, tiktok, youtube, etc.) aren't really the web despite being web based
- someonebaggy 3mo agoTorrents? I think most of these things still exist, but as a tiny proportion of traffic, because total traffic grew so much while these old protocols shrank somewhat, but they are certainly still there. The focus is now on applications rather than protocols, that's the bigger difference. One uses Discord, or Slack, not IRC, because their centralised nature enables them to iterate much more rapidly (IRC has barely changed in 30 years while Slack has emojis) and this leads to them simply being much better products. Email still isn't reliably encrypted. Back in the 80s you didn't have a choice - you couldn't create a worldwide app network, so you had to design a distributed protocol that could be operated independently by the sysadmin at each site. In 2026 (really 2005+) we can do global centralised systems and we mostly don't have independent sites (as in locations) with sysadmins, so it worked out differently. There are a few "digital cooperatives" that try to bring the old model back - nonprofits that host services for their members - but there aren't many and there isn't really a good reason for a layperson to join a digital cooperative and use IRC instead of using Discord, which is where all their friends are anyway.
- mghackerlady 3mo agoIRC should support emoji, it's just text and emoji are pretty much just text transformed in software the same way your computer turns the unicode of the text into into whatever glyph it represents
- someonebaggy 3mo agoI meant emoji reactions
- LargoLasskhyfv 3mo agoNo. You meant provisions for simplified automated https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentiment_analysis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentiment_analysis That aside, does it really matter if one can attach reactions to one text, spanning just one, or several lines, instead of 'reacting' sequentially in the following lines? Discord, Slack etc. are just conveniences for lazy smombies which find IRC too hardcore, or smth. Like irremovable training wheels on a bicycle. Or mistaking a 'bumper car' ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumper_cars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumper_cars ) for something highway capable. All of that complaining is equal to the ppl moving into so called gentrified places, only to mourn that the character which made that place interesting has been lost. By too much uptight twats moving in there. Use it, or lose it!
- someonebaggy 3mo agoIt doesn't matter what I think about the feature. People clearly enjoy the feature and IRC will never have it because IRC cannot acquire new features like that. Even if the IRCv3 group write a specification, it won't be widely adopted.
- mghackerlady 3mo agoSomeone could easily do it in a way similar to how apples text reactions work. If you don't support imessage or are on an older version of imessage you just get "Doe liked this" or something like that
- dredmorbius 3mo agoPodcasts aren't exactly a pre-Web aspect, but they're a non-Web form of online content. Some quite good.