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This is ridiculous, and not long after they've been updating their ToS to require you to sign in and phone home in order to continue to be allowed access to you

by bilekas 3mo ago

This is ridiculous, and not long after they've been updating their ToS to require you to sign in and phone home in order to continue to be allowed access to your digital library. > In response to shifting trends in consumer preference. I hate this corporate speak. If buying isn't ownership, then pirating isn't stealing.

bigfishrunning 3mo ago
> If buying isn't ownership, then pirating isn't stealing. You're not buying a game, you're buying a license to play the game. If you don't agree with the terms, don't buy that license, but that doesn't mean you're entitled to commit copyright infringement. If I buy a movie ticket, that means I get to watch the movie once. That's the agreement.
- bilekas 3mo ago
  There's an expectation that once the sale is finalised they should t be able to just take it back when they like. Agreements or not that's not how things are supposed to work.
- Telaneo 3mo ago
  > If I buy a movie ticket, that means I get to watch the movie once. That's the agreement. Good thing I don't recognise copyright. Can't infringe on that which does not exist. I'm sick of pretending it does good in the world when I constantly see its consequences are things like this. > If I buy a movie ticket, that means I get to watch the movie once. That's the agreement. Given the amount of agreements out there that have unfair terms from the get go, or are otherwise Darth Vadered, why should anyone care what deal the corps give you?
  - bigfishrunning 3mo ago
    If you don't like the deal, don't take it. It doesn't matter if you recognize copyright, it's the law. Some people don't recognize speed limits; that doesn't always end well for them.
    - Telaneo 3mo ago
      > it's the law I can ignore that too, you know. Not all laws are reasonable. > Some people don't recognize speed limits; that doesn't always end well for them. Breaking the speed limit can be lethal. That's a pretty good reason to follow that rule even if you don't care who made it. I haven't found good reasons to keep copyright law (on the contrary, I constantly see it hinder progress in society), so I ignore it. If I get prosecuted for doing copyright infringement, I'll take it with pride.
      - Jigsy 3mo ago
        > I can ignore that too, you know. Not all laws are reasonable. I can speak from personal experience on this one! Civil disobedience is a wonderful thing.
        bigfishrunning 3mo ago
        It has the same effect as not playing the game, but you get something for free, right? it's therefore better?
tacticalturtle 3mo ago
It’s not corporate speak - they have hard data in digital vs physical sales that they report on every quarter: https://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-just-reported-a-new-record-breaking-high-figure-but-its-unsurprising/1100-6539856/ https://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-just-reported-a-new-r...
- bilekas 3mo ago
  Even more reason to call this out, they know the exact figures they need to create physical copies of, they're claiming a complete trend to reduce their expenses. I don't believe they have some agenda to simply turn off games for people for no reason, but needing to check in every few months to keep a game active is actively hostile to the customer.

by bilekas 3mo ago

bigfishrunning 3mo ago

> If buying isn't ownership, then pirating isn't stealing. You're not buying a game, you're buying a license to play the game. If you don't agree with the terms, don't buy that license, but that doesn't mean you're entitled to commit copyright infringement. If I buy a movie ticket, that means I get to watch the movie once. That's the agreement.

bilekas 3mo ago
There's an expectation that once the sale is finalised they should t be able to just take it back when they like. Agreements or not that's not how things are supposed to work.
Telaneo 3mo ago
> If I buy a movie ticket, that means I get to watch the movie once. That's the agreement. Good thing I don't recognise copyright. Can't infringe on that which does not exist. I'm sick of pretending it does good in the world when I constantly see its consequences are things like this. > If I buy a movie ticket, that means I get to watch the movie once. That's the agreement. Given the amount of agreements out there that have unfair terms from the get go, or are otherwise Darth Vadered, why should anyone care what deal the corps give you?
- bigfishrunning 3mo ago
  If you don't like the deal, don't take it. It doesn't matter if you recognize copyright, it's the law. Some people don't recognize speed limits; that doesn't always end well for them.
  - Telaneo 3mo ago
    > it's the law I can ignore that too, you know. Not all laws are reasonable. > Some people don't recognize speed limits; that doesn't always end well for them. Breaking the speed limit can be lethal. That's a pretty good reason to follow that rule even if you don't care who made it. I haven't found good reasons to keep copyright law (on the contrary, I constantly see it hinder progress in society), so I ignore it. If I get prosecuted for doing copyright infringement, I'll take it with pride.
    - Jigsy 3mo ago
      > I can ignore that too, you know. Not all laws are reasonable. I can speak from personal experience on this one! Civil disobedience is a wonderful thing.
      - bigfishrunning 3mo ago
        It has the same effect as not playing the game, but you get something for free, right? it's therefore better?

tacticalturtle 3mo ago

It’s not corporate speak - they have hard data in digital vs physical sales that they report on every quarter: https://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-just-reported-a-new-record-breaking-high-figure-but-its-unsurprising/1100-6539856/ https://www.gamespot.com/articles/sony-just-reported-a-new-r...

bilekas 3mo ago
Even more reason to call this out, they know the exact figures they need to create physical copies of, they're claiming a complete trend to reduce their expenses. I don't believe they have some agenda to simply turn off games for people for no reason, but needing to check in every few months to keep a game active is actively hostile to the customer.