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$1.5B is significant, but the bigger question is whether this actually changes how dominant platforms rank their own services. Is this real accountability for
by raychis 3mo ago
$1.5B is significant, but the bigger question is whether this actually changes how dominant platforms rank their own services.
Is this real accountability for anti-competitive behaviour, or just another cost of doing business for Big Tech?
My cynicism is tell me that unfortunately it is the latter.
- DANmode 3mo agoVouched, I feel similarly. (I can’t possibly understand this being downvoted. The downvote button isn’t an “I disagree” button.)
- orphea 3mo agoPerhaps because the comment didn't add to the discussion? like all those +1 comments in GitHub issues.
- DANmode 3mo agoThe comment was the discussion; it was the only comment, and killed.
- dgellow 3mo agoFrom HN guidelines: > Please don't comment about the voting on comments. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. and yes, downvoting is a perfectly fine disagree button, what else do you think it is
- DANmode 3mo agoIt makes boring reading because the discussion, for those who have cared about it in the past, remains the same. Anyway, downvote = “This doesn’t belong here.” or “This doesn’t attempt to contribute to the discussion.” If everyone here downvoted each time they disagreed, there would be few comments alive…and little discussion. The reply button is the disagree button. Otherwise, for comments of any length, it isn’t even clear what’s being disagreed with!
- dgellow 3mo ago> If everyone here downvoted each time they disagreed That’s what they do. It’s how HN works. I’m pretty sure pg said that a while ago. You can write a reply if you want to engage, you don’t have to. You can downvote or not if you disagree, that’s up to you. Edit: found it, see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171 Edit 2: that comment is almost 20y old! Fuck I’m becoming old
- DANmode 3mo ago> That’s what they do That’s what you do. > You can write a reply if you want to engage, you don’t have to. Downvoting is engaging - in my opinion, just incompletely - if nobody else has replied yet enumerating your dissenting viewpoint.
- dgellow 3mo agoI’ve been on HN since a very long time, I can assure you it’s not a me thing. Anyway, given pg‘s comment the topic is pretty much settled
- DANmode 3mo agoThat’s a lame appeal to authority. Here’s mine (the reply to the pg comment - their account is older than yours, if that matters): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117237 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117237
- bevekspldnw 3mo agoAbsolute numbers with BigTech are never significant. Only viable paths for remedy anre outright divestment or revoking financial license in Sweden. The former is nigh impossible, the latter is fairly trivial with sufficient will.
- brainwad 3mo agoIMO the fines do have an effect - Google now withholds a lot of launches from the EU, sometimes temporarily until they have time to have lawyers check them against DMA requirements, but mostly permanently. Ironically the part of Google most likely to persist in launching for the EU is Ads, since money is at stake. All the free, consumer-benefiting services are most likely to be curtailed in the face of aggressive regulation.
- teddyh 3mo agoYou say that like it’s a bad thing.
- soco 3mo agoYay for European sovereign services! A bit through the backdoor, or as a side-effect if you want, but the result is the same. Or could be the same, if it continues like that.
- surgical_fire 3mo ago> All the free, consumer-benefiting services Those are just more avenues for Google to collect data to shove ads down everyone's throats. Good that regulations keeps Google from releasing more pf their shit here. Governments should really tighten the screws there.
- gowld 3mo agoThe ads are getting shoved regardless. The content of the ads are based on personalization data.
- cryptonym 3mo ago> All the free, consumer-benefiting services If they stop providing value to users, they are putting their ad business at risk. It's never free, providing value to share holders is a top priority.
- brainwad 3mo agoThere are also all the free services that just build goodwill. Those are the most at risk. Of course the "ad carriers" are treated better, since again money is on the line. But any non-essential. feature thereof is also potentially killable.
- thisislife2 3mo agoThey do treat it as a "cost of doing business" as they do hedge between making a bigger profit through such violations vis the possible fine. But enforced fines like these serve as a warning that the government / regulator / judiciary are serious about enforcing laws and upholding rights. That precedent does discourages such actions because they know future violations will invite similar actions (the punitive fines may be worse for repeat violations) thus making the risks higher. The counter to that is political lobbying, if it is cheaper than the fines, and is also treated as another "cost of doing business". (Even India has fined them 100s of millions of dollars - https://ssrana.in/articles/google-fined-anti-competitive-practices-nclat/ https://ssrana.in/articles/google-fined-anti-competitive-pra... ).
- yieldcrv 3mo agoIt was about behavior 9 years ago Internet wont be human steered by the time this is over Just agents running x402 payments over mcp servers
- jeltz 3mo agoIt is not like you typically can just ignore a court order so Google will need to convince Klarna that they have changed something or Klarna can just go back to the court.