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you are correct but its also the reason for the lack of EU tech capability and over-reliance on US

usrusr 4mo ago
It might be a minor contributor, but it sure isn't the reason. If you do do much admire economic success through suffering, can I assume that you have relocated to China? (mainland) Because they sure know a thing or two about that...
- nok22kon 4mo ago
  if you think the status quo is sustainable, and that Europeans can live a luxurious life fueled by cheap Chinese workers... > BERLIN, June 26 (Reuters) - Volkswagen is considering shutting four German factories and ramping up job cuts to as many as 100,000, two people familiar with the matter said on Friday, in what could be the biggest ever overhaul in the industry. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/volkswagen-ceo-aims-cut-up-100000-jobs-next-years-manager-magazin-reports-2026-06-26/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/volksw...
  - usrusr 4mo ago
    I very much agree, the status quo is not sustainable. But I really don't believe that the solution is trying to one-up China in whatever they are doing, or the USA, for that matter.
  - roysting 4mo ago
    You are both missing the target. It's far too complex to fully elaborate on here, but suffice it to say that Europe has broken an iron triangle of choices, which not only limits the number of concurrent choices possible, but also require a minimum of choices to be sustainable.
embedding-shape 4mo ago
Besides the whole AI thing, what exact "tech capability" is missing in EU or Europe today? Most things been preferable to get from the US as workers are generally abused there for profits, so been cheaper, but capability still exists in Europe and is ramping up. Do you have any specific examples or you're just on the typical anti-EU HN tirade so many of you seem to fall into as soon as EU is even slightly related?
- nok22kon 4mo ago
  what is the EU equivalent to AWS/GCP/Azure? or do you think EU doesnt really need that, it can just rent from the americans what is the EU frontier AI model? what is the EU frontier chip fabs?
  - defrost 4mo ago
    > what is the EU frontier chip fabs? Where are the US or Chinese equivalents or betters of ASML of the Netherlands?
    - nok22kon 4mo ago
      ASML had $30 bil revenue in 2025 it's main client, TSMC had 4x, $120 bil revenue in 2024 the Chinese equivalents are 5 years away sounds like VW from 10 years ago - "Chinese can't make quality cars"

It might be a minor contributor, but it sure isn't the reason. If you do do much admire economic success through suffering, can I assume that you have relocated to China? (mainland) Because they sure know a thing or two about that...

nok22kon 4mo ago
if you think the status quo is sustainable, and that Europeans can live a luxurious life fueled by cheap Chinese workers... > BERLIN, June 26 (Reuters) - Volkswagen is considering shutting four German factories and ramping up job cuts to as many as 100,000, two people familiar with the matter said on Friday, in what could be the biggest ever overhaul in the industry. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/volkswagen-ceo-aims-cut-up-100000-jobs-next-years-manager-magazin-reports-2026-06-26/ https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/volksw...
- usrusr 4mo ago
  I very much agree, the status quo is not sustainable. But I really don't believe that the solution is trying to one-up China in whatever they are doing, or the USA, for that matter.
- roysting 4mo ago
  You are both missing the target. It's far too complex to fully elaborate on here, but suffice it to say that Europe has broken an iron triangle of choices, which not only limits the number of concurrent choices possible, but also require a minimum of choices to be sustainable.

embedding-shape 4mo ago

Besides the whole AI thing, what exact "tech capability" is missing in EU or Europe today? Most things been preferable to get from the US as workers are generally abused there for profits, so been cheaper, but capability still exists in Europe and is ramping up. Do you have any specific examples or you're just on the typical anti-EU HN tirade so many of you seem to fall into as soon as EU is even slightly related?

nok22kon 4mo ago
what is the EU equivalent to AWS/GCP/Azure? or do you think EU doesnt really need that, it can just rent from the americans what is the EU frontier AI model? what is the EU frontier chip fabs?
- defrost 4mo ago
  > what is the EU frontier chip fabs? Where are the US or Chinese equivalents or betters of ASML of the Netherlands?
  - nok22kon 4mo ago
    ASML had $30 bil revenue in 2025 it's main client, TSMC had 4x, $120 bil revenue in 2024 the Chinese equivalents are 5 years away sounds like VW from 10 years ago - "Chinese can't make quality cars"