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Do you really think 50% of voters thought this was what they were getting? I think most of them thought “dunno what is going on, but this guy seems confident an

by taneq 4mo ago

Do you really think 50% of voters thought this was what they were getting? I think most of them thought “dunno what is going on, but this guy seems confident and says it’ll be good if we vote for him”.

theultdev 4mo ago
that's what I voted for and I'm happy about it. same for every single person in my circle. you may not understand the other side because of biases but if you just say "oh 50% must be crazy / be stupid" then noone can have an honest debate. but I guess gone are those days.
- sjsdaiuasgdia 4mo ago
  Which part attracts you the most? The corruption, the self-dealing, the disrespect for the Constitution and the rule of law, or the racism?
  - theultdev 4mo ago
    prime example of why there can't be discourse happening right here ^
    - bytehowl 4mo ago
      Answer the question.
    - sjsdaiuasgdia 4mo ago
      If you're willing to overlook the corruption, the self dealing, the disrespect for the Constitution and rule of law, and the racism, then I agree. There is no useful discourse to be had with you.
      - theultdev 4mo ago
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        ceejayoz 4mo ago
        > I'd rather someone be rich before office not have their son work on a Ukrainian oil company while their father is VP that handles relations with said country. You must be incensed over Jared Kushner's diplomatic roles and $2B investments from the Saudis, then?
        theultdev 4mo ago
        He formed an investment group after leaving government. Hunter worked for an oil company (no experience) WHILE his father was overseeing the country relations. And the company he worked for was under investigation for corruption. Joe bragged about getting that prosecutor fired. Meanwhile Jared got the Abraham Accords and is working on other peace deals. Hunter was a crackhead being paid in diamonds by a corrupt oil company. Not the same is it?
        ceejayoz 4mo ago
        I appreciate your answering your own question; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48750787 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48750787. > Hunter was a crackhead being paid in diamonds by a corrupt oil company. Not the same is it? For sure. Kushner/Trump's corruption is far more lucrative.
        theultdev 4mo ago
        I'm glad you can at least admit that the Biden's were corrupt.
        sjsdaiuasgdia 4mo ago
        And Trump's corruption is orders of magnitude worse. Hunter Biden is not in office, is not running for office. I wouldn't support a campaign from him because "whose crotches were involved in your creation" is not a qualifying factor for much of anything besides assigning a last name. Trump is in office, and is actively, brazenly corrupt. And you're OK with it for...reasons?
    - ceejayoz 4mo ago
      Ah, the irony.
      - theultdev 4mo ago
        how is it irony? the guy asked loaded "questions" basically saying everything is racist and evil. not really good faith is it? nothing about policy or any specific thing you could have a civil conversation about. they didn't even say what perceived racist, corrupt, etc. delusional take they're talking about. unless I'm on a liberal newsletter how would I know the conspiracies they're talking about? to answer in one word GP's main question "Which part attracts you the most?" Sanity.
- taneq 4mo ago
  Thankyou for responding with your view, and I'm sorry that you got downvoted for it. I don't agree that "[people] should be able to do literally anything they want and Buyer Beware is a good way to structure society and commerce" because I feel that a degree of safety from bad actors is part of the social contract in a healthy society, and that the strong and capable have a duty to protect and support those less able. I understand, however, that not everyone feels that way and that I'm not entitled to tell them what to think. That's why we vote on stuff, and it mostly works. I still think that a large percentage of MAGA red hat voters (who don't necessarily represent all GOP voters) have bought into the populist rhetoric rather than actively understanding and supporting the actual policy but I'm sure there are plenty of people like you out there who are actively choosing this.
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theultdev 4mo ago

that's what I voted for and I'm happy about it. same for every single person in my circle. you may not understand the other side because of biases but if you just say "oh 50% must be crazy / be stupid" then noone can have an honest debate. but I guess gone are those days.

sjsdaiuasgdia 4mo ago
Which part attracts you the most? The corruption, the self-dealing, the disrespect for the Constitution and the rule of law, or the racism?
- theultdev 4mo ago
  prime example of why there can't be discourse happening right here ^
  - bytehowl 4mo ago
    Answer the question.
  - sjsdaiuasgdia 4mo ago
    If you're willing to overlook the corruption, the self dealing, the disrespect for the Constitution and rule of law, and the racism, then I agree. There is no useful discourse to be had with you.
    - theultdev 4mo ago
      [flagged]
      - ceejayoz 4mo ago
        > I'd rather someone be rich before office not have their son work on a Ukrainian oil company while their father is VP that handles relations with said country. You must be incensed over Jared Kushner's diplomatic roles and $2B investments from the Saudis, then?
        theultdev 4mo ago
        He formed an investment group after leaving government. Hunter worked for an oil company (no experience) WHILE his father was overseeing the country relations. And the company he worked for was under investigation for corruption. Joe bragged about getting that prosecutor fired. Meanwhile Jared got the Abraham Accords and is working on other peace deals. Hunter was a crackhead being paid in diamonds by a corrupt oil company. Not the same is it?
        ceejayoz 4mo ago
        I appreciate your answering your own question; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48750787 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48750787. > Hunter was a crackhead being paid in diamonds by a corrupt oil company. Not the same is it? For sure. Kushner/Trump's corruption is far more lucrative.
        theultdev 4mo ago
        I'm glad you can at least admit that the Biden's were corrupt.
        sjsdaiuasgdia 4mo ago
        And Trump's corruption is orders of magnitude worse. Hunter Biden is not in office, is not running for office. I wouldn't support a campaign from him because "whose crotches were involved in your creation" is not a qualifying factor for much of anything besides assigning a last name. Trump is in office, and is actively, brazenly corrupt. And you're OK with it for...reasons?
  - ceejayoz 4mo ago
    Ah, the irony.
    - theultdev 4mo ago
      how is it irony? the guy asked loaded "questions" basically saying everything is racist and evil. not really good faith is it? nothing about policy or any specific thing you could have a civil conversation about. they didn't even say what perceived racist, corrupt, etc. delusional take they're talking about. unless I'm on a liberal newsletter how would I know the conspiracies they're talking about? to answer in one word GP's main question "Which part attracts you the most?" Sanity.
taneq 4mo ago
Thankyou for responding with your view, and I'm sorry that you got downvoted for it. I don't agree that "[people] should be able to do literally anything they want and Buyer Beware is a good way to structure society and commerce" because I feel that a degree of safety from bad actors is part of the social contract in a healthy society, and that the strong and capable have a duty to protect and support those less able. I understand, however, that not everyone feels that way and that I'm not entitled to tell them what to think. That's why we vote on stuff, and it mostly works. I still think that a large percentage of MAGA red hat voters (who don't necessarily represent all GOP voters) have bought into the populist rhetoric rather than actively understanding and supporting the actual policy but I'm sure there are plenty of people like you out there who are actively choosing this.

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