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> Why does it matter if China gains those capabilities? I invite you to begin to learn about China's behavior around the world. The CCP is darkside material. R

> Why does it matter if China gains those capabilities? I invite you to begin to learn about China's behavior around the world. The CCP is darkside material. Reminds me of this comic: https://xcancel.com/tomgauld/status/571994690289061888?lang=en https://xcancel.com/tomgauld/status/571994690289061888?lang=... None of the superpowers in this world is innocent, and like MAD, more countries have the capability, the better. I know some of the things CCP do/did. I know some of the things US does/did. I'm from neither, so I don't take sides. AI's use has been confirmed, or more precisely boasted by two countries in two different wars, and China was not one of these countries. We have seen the effects of "if they don't know them, they can't exploit them" mindset of NSA for years. Keeping information/technology private is neither beneficial, nor possible. It's only a temporary moat-ish gap. Not a definitive solution.

CMay 4mo ago
Certainly the world is full of actions and reactions, nothing is happening in a vacuum. You don't have to be from a country to take sides, but presumably you have some kind of moral compass, some kind of values around personal freedom or the worth of a human life. There can be a very real cost, because one side comes from an ideology with a history that wants to conquer the entire Earth which caused World War 2 while the other side is trying to prune the planet like a bonsai to prevent it from descending into total chaos to preserve some sense of international order. Europe was constantly at war, and we helped stabilize it. Middle East as been constantly at war, and if Iran can be sorted then it will be the closest to some sense of peace it's been in a long time. We used to be in Japan, Philippines, Germany, Vietnam, South Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan and so on. How many are US territories? None. We aren't out there to conquer the globe and take land. We're usually fighting other people's wars for them, because they're up against better resourced opponents. Meanwhile China is over there building artificial islands, ramming other country's ships, creating ideological police stations in countries around the world to harass people and engaging in the most widespread international interference campaigns in human history. They do not treat their people well and they do not have free speech. The internet is flooded with their propaganda now, because they have a human numbers advantage. It's true that given time most advantages are temporary, but there's always that slim chance we could slow them down until the CCP collapses and they could become a more normal country.
- esarbe 4mo ago
  You sound like you've swallowed pro-US-propaganda hook, line and sinker. The reason the middle-east is at constant war is because colonialist machinations. Same goes for south-Saharan Africa. And the US is a big colonialist player, just ask Vietnam, South-America, Iran, Afghanistan, etc. They all have been attacked by the US because of US colonial interests. If anything, one could make the argument that the PRC is treading much more lightly than the US. That said - I'm not defending the PRC by any way; it's a state-capitalist hell hole that's suppressing workers by denying them any ability to organize and whose political class is purely focused on furthering their own interests and that of the moneyed elite, the common person be damned. The thing is - so is the US.
  - CMay 4mo ago
    If you think those were about colonization, you would be well served to examine history closer.
- frognumber 4mo ago
  Ah yes. The exceptionalism argument. There's the good "us" and the bad "them."
  - CMay 4mo ago
    I didn't make an exceptionalist argument, but if any country's behavior and values can be measured compared to others, you will always be able to make some kind of decision about where those fall in terms of goodness or badness. Do you not believe in good and bad?
    - frognumber 4mo ago
      I believe in good and bad. I don't believe in US good, non-US bad. I also don't believe the same about my religion or my political party, for that matter. How you measure depends on weights you assign (cultural system of values) and what information you use (media bias). You can rank in the extremes (e.g. North Korea as worse than Belgium), since they come out that way by almost any set of information and values. Comparing the US to most other countries, there isn't a clear ordering. If you believe the things you wrote, I think the other comment summed it up well: "You sound like you've swallowed pro-US-propaganda hook, line and sinker." Most countries have similar propaganda, by the way.

CMay 4mo ago

Certainly the world is full of actions and reactions, nothing is happening in a vacuum. You don't have to be from a country to take sides, but presumably you have some kind of moral compass, some kind of values around personal freedom or the worth of a human life. There can be a very real cost, because one side comes from an ideology with a history that wants to conquer the entire Earth which caused World War 2 while the other side is trying to prune the planet like a bonsai to prevent it from descending into total chaos to preserve some sense of international order. Europe was constantly at war, and we helped stabilize it. Middle East as been constantly at war, and if Iran can be sorted then it will be the closest to some sense of peace it's been in a long time. We used to be in Japan, Philippines, Germany, Vietnam, South Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan and so on. How many are US territories? None. We aren't out there to conquer the globe and take land. We're usually fighting other people's wars for them, because they're up against better resourced opponents. Meanwhile China is over there building artificial islands, ramming other country's ships, creating ideological police stations in countries around the world to harass people and engaging in the most widespread international interference campaigns in human history. They do not treat their people well and they do not have free speech. The internet is flooded with their propaganda now, because they have a human numbers advantage. It's true that given time most advantages are temporary, but there's always that slim chance we could slow them down until the CCP collapses and they could become a more normal country.

esarbe 4mo ago
You sound like you've swallowed pro-US-propaganda hook, line and sinker. The reason the middle-east is at constant war is because colonialist machinations. Same goes for south-Saharan Africa. And the US is a big colonialist player, just ask Vietnam, South-America, Iran, Afghanistan, etc. They all have been attacked by the US because of US colonial interests. If anything, one could make the argument that the PRC is treading much more lightly than the US. That said - I'm not defending the PRC by any way; it's a state-capitalist hell hole that's suppressing workers by denying them any ability to organize and whose political class is purely focused on furthering their own interests and that of the moneyed elite, the common person be damned. The thing is - so is the US.
- CMay 4mo ago
  If you think those were about colonization, you would be well served to examine history closer.
frognumber 4mo ago
Ah yes. The exceptionalism argument. There's the good "us" and the bad "them."
- CMay 4mo ago
  I didn't make an exceptionalist argument, but if any country's behavior and values can be measured compared to others, you will always be able to make some kind of decision about where those fall in terms of goodness or badness. Do you not believe in good and bad?
  - frognumber 4mo ago
    I believe in good and bad. I don't believe in US good, non-US bad. I also don't believe the same about my religion or my political party, for that matter. How you measure depends on weights you assign (cultural system of values) and what information you use (media bias). You can rank in the extremes (e.g. North Korea as worse than Belgium), since they come out that way by almost any set of information and values. Comparing the US to most other countries, there isn't a clear ordering. If you believe the things you wrote, I think the other comment summed it up well: "You sound like you've swallowed pro-US-propaganda hook, line and sinker." Most countries have similar propaganda, by the way.