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>US civil rights movement? Seriously? Different times different people. Within living memory for some of us. So not that different really. >What freedom of s
by aa-jv 4mo ago
>US civil rights movement? Seriously? Different times different people.
Within living memory for some of us. So not that different really.
>What freedom of speech examples do you have that involve living people?
Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, Virginia Guiffre. Medea Benjamin.
You may argue that these are individuals whose speech was limited - and it was - but they have been protected nevertheless by the US' free speech laws, or they wouldn't have made as big a fuss as they have in the first place.
>Every single one freedom of speech fighter are fascist who demand some other speech be suppressed and theirs amplified.
This is a gross generalization.
>I don't know why you believe that you can't inform people about the genocide of Gaza in Europe, in fact Europeans are significantly more informed on this and having flotillas and what not.
Just try to show people the situation in Gaza, on the streets of Vienna, and see how far you get before the police turn up to suppress your right to discuss the atrocities in public.
- mrtksn 4mo ago> Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, Virginia Guiffre. Medea Benjamin. Your free speech examples are telling enough. You should check out what happened to them.
- aa-jv 4mo agoTheir speech was not actually suppressed, or else we wouldn't be talking about them. In fact their speech was protected by the courts, as intended. That the US Military/Industrial Intelligence Complex nevertheless violated their human rights extra-judiciously is another thing, and I concur with the cynicism over the whole 'phony human rights' stance of the US, especially given its recent overt support for actual genocide. But in our circle, members of these countries not currently being bombed into oblivion - in contrast, look at the "Witness J .. Witness K .. Witness L .." situation in Australia's secret star court ..
- mrtksn 4mo agoSo in other words it as Idi Amin of Uganda said: There is freedom of speech, but I cannot guarantee freedom after speech :) Just because you eventually go free after your life gets ruined by the government doesn't really make you better than Uganda. In those shitty countries they too go free eventually.
- aa-jv 4mo agoSpeech isn't enough. There has to be freedom of action, too. And yes, constant vigilance is required for freedom. >Just because you eventually go free after your life gets ruined by the government doesn't really make you better than Uganda. In those shitty countries they too go free eventually. A truly imperialist perspective. None of this is relevant for any government engaged in genocide, anyway. My freedom of speech means nothing if the government under which its right is granted is, meanwhile, massacring innocents at atrocious scale ..