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_m_p 3mo ago
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- CSSer 3mo ago
  Put that on a T-shirt!
- smt88 3mo ago
  My parents immigrated to the US in the 80s. They didn't steal anyone's land. Can I complain about rich people wasting fuel, polluting the air, and creating peace-shattering sounds? And about the stolen land, what should we do about it? Never complain about anything? Have no laws? Give all of your stolen land back, make all the reparations you owe people, and then go back to lecturing people online.
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  - jaymmartin 3mo ago
    By immigrating, your parents(and you) took on the shared responsibility for the countries wrongdoings and great deeds. When people talk about this stuff, it isn't about apportioning blame. I'm not big on the stolen land thing because it's turtles all the way down, but this idea of divvying up blame makes no sense. We are all citizens.
    - boelboel 3mo ago
      If anything the parents have more responsibility by making a conscious choice vs simply being born in the US. I don't agree with this point of view either.
    - smt88 3mo ago
      I had no agency in being born and raised here. Are you saying that by staying in this country, I’m now responsible for stealing land 200 years ago? And my responsibility for stealing this land means I can’t be upset about supersonic jets?
      - em-bee 3mo ago
        we are as a whole responsible for making the world a better place. everyone with their capacity and their ability to do something. now, i am not trying to judge what you are doing, nor am i suggesting you are not doing enough already. that's not the point. by living in the US you are however in a better position to work on this particular cause than i am living elsewhere. not because you are responsible in the sense of being guilty, but you, and everyone else in the US, is responsible in the sense of there being a wrong that needs to be righted. otherwise we could just say nobody is responsible because it was all someone else. but if that someone else is not alive anymore then it is up to the current society to step up and fill in. guilt is not required. would you help orphan children whose parents died in an accident even if you were not involved? then why not help these people who have been deprived of their land and are now without the ability to govern themselves? the people of israel got their ancient homeland back after 2 millennia and were allowed to form a sovereign nation long after anyone could reasonably be called responsible for taking their land away. so why not do the same of the native american nations too? the question is not: are you responsible? but: is there a wrong that needs to be fixed, and are you in a position to contribute to fixing it? but to your last point: this has nothing to do with being upset about supersonic jets. actually i believe as far as it is reasonable native americans would be upset about noise pollution too, so you would probably be arguing their side here anyways.
- staplers 3mo ago
  Nimbyism is generally against a public good (low income housing, powerlines, etc)but there is nothing public or good about this. Calling this nimbyism is billionaire psyop lol
  - ranger_danger 3mo ago
    Calling supersonic commercial flight 'nothing good' is certainly an opinion.
brandall10 3mo ago
Their claim is the boom won't actually reach ground level for overland flights due to how they're profiled. Of course that's the theory. The Trump Admin just allowed for a fairly audible boom.
- foobarqux 3mo ago
  Where is this claim?
  - brandall10 3mo ago
    From the top of their corporate website, there is a video explaining this: https://boomsupersonic.com/boomless-cruise https://boomsupersonic.com/boomless-cruise And from the top of their wikipedia page: "is expected to reach supersonic speeds without causing a sonic boom at ground level by taking advantage of a physics phenomenon known as mach cutoff" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boom_Overture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boom_Overture

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_m_p 3mo ago

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CSSer 3mo ago
Put that on a T-shirt!
smt88 3mo ago
My parents immigrated to the US in the 80s. They didn't steal anyone's land. Can I complain about rich people wasting fuel, polluting the air, and creating peace-shattering sounds? And about the stolen land, what should we do about it? Never complain about anything? Have no laws? Give all of your stolen land back, make all the reparations you owe people, and then go back to lecturing people online.
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- jaymmartin 3mo ago
  By immigrating, your parents(and you) took on the shared responsibility for the countries wrongdoings and great deeds. When people talk about this stuff, it isn't about apportioning blame. I'm not big on the stolen land thing because it's turtles all the way down, but this idea of divvying up blame makes no sense. We are all citizens.
  - boelboel 3mo ago
    If anything the parents have more responsibility by making a conscious choice vs simply being born in the US. I don't agree with this point of view either.
  - smt88 3mo ago
    I had no agency in being born and raised here. Are you saying that by staying in this country, I’m now responsible for stealing land 200 years ago? And my responsibility for stealing this land means I can’t be upset about supersonic jets?
    - em-bee 3mo ago
      we are as a whole responsible for making the world a better place. everyone with their capacity and their ability to do something. now, i am not trying to judge what you are doing, nor am i suggesting you are not doing enough already. that's not the point. by living in the US you are however in a better position to work on this particular cause than i am living elsewhere. not because you are responsible in the sense of being guilty, but you, and everyone else in the US, is responsible in the sense of there being a wrong that needs to be righted. otherwise we could just say nobody is responsible because it was all someone else. but if that someone else is not alive anymore then it is up to the current society to step up and fill in. guilt is not required. would you help orphan children whose parents died in an accident even if you were not involved? then why not help these people who have been deprived of their land and are now without the ability to govern themselves? the people of israel got their ancient homeland back after 2 millennia and were allowed to form a sovereign nation long after anyone could reasonably be called responsible for taking their land away. so why not do the same of the native american nations too? the question is not: are you responsible? but: is there a wrong that needs to be fixed, and are you in a position to contribute to fixing it? but to your last point: this has nothing to do with being upset about supersonic jets. actually i believe as far as it is reasonable native americans would be upset about noise pollution too, so you would probably be arguing their side here anyways.
staplers 3mo ago
Nimbyism is generally against a public good (low income housing, powerlines, etc)but there is nothing public or good about this. Calling this nimbyism is billionaire psyop lol
- ranger_danger 3mo ago
  Calling supersonic commercial flight 'nothing good' is certainly an opinion.

brandall10 3mo ago

Their claim is the boom won't actually reach ground level for overland flights due to how they're profiled. Of course that's the theory. The Trump Admin just allowed for a fairly audible boom.

foobarqux 3mo ago
Where is this claim?
- brandall10 3mo ago
  From the top of their corporate website, there is a video explaining this: https://boomsupersonic.com/boomless-cruise https://boomsupersonic.com/boomless-cruise And from the top of their wikipedia page: "is expected to reach supersonic speeds without causing a sonic boom at ground level by taking advantage of a physics phenomenon known as mach cutoff" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boom_Overture https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boom_Overture