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Seems to work fine. Dozens of countries do this. It's not some weird hypothetical nor is the US some bizarre outlier.

MisterMower 4mo ago
The fact that a guy like Trump was ever elected in the first place would imply it is not working fine. Half of the electorate supports his anti-immigration policies. In an alternate universe where immigration laws were properly enforced he may never have been elected. Further, just because something has never been an issue in the past doesn’t mean it won’t be in the future. The US is an outlier in being the only large and wealthy country that does this. Not many people are flying to Pakistan to give birth to secure Pakistani citizenship for their children.
- danny_codes 4mo ago
  But his base is largely not people benefiting from birthright citizenship (at least, not recently).. so if anything Trump would be an indicator that we need more immigration to counter the homegrown, um, MAGAts
  - denismenace 4mo ago
    So you want to diminish the voting power of the native population through mass immigration? Tell me how this rhetoric would not radicalize any normal citizen.
    - dgellow 4mo ago
      Ironic to use the word “native” here, given that we are talking about birthright citizenship. Native, adjective, belonging to one by birth
    - malnourish 4mo ago
      That's kind of the history of the United States.
- wat10000 4mo ago
  Are you saying birthright citizenship played a significant factor in getting Trump elected? Illegal immigration certainly did, but birthright citizenship played roughly no role from what I saw. I'm not sure what you consider to qualify as large and wealthy, but most Western Hemisphere countries do it this way, including places like Canada, Argentina, and Brazil. If none of those qualify then you're getting awfully close to saying that the US is the only large and wealthy country, period. You're right that it could have worked fine in the past but then become a problem. But if that's your argument, I'm going to need something a little more comprehensive than "imagine if things worked the way they actually do work in dozens of countries and have worked for longer than any of us have been alive."

The fact that a guy like Trump was ever elected in the first place would imply it is not working fine. Half of the electorate supports his anti-immigration policies. In an alternate universe where immigration laws were properly enforced he may never have been elected. Further, just because something has never been an issue in the past doesn’t mean it won’t be in the future. The US is an outlier in being the only large and wealthy country that does this. Not many people are flying to Pakistan to give birth to secure Pakistani citizenship for their children.

danny_codes 4mo ago
But his base is largely not people benefiting from birthright citizenship (at least, not recently).. so if anything Trump would be an indicator that we need more immigration to counter the homegrown, um, MAGAts
- denismenace 4mo ago
  So you want to diminish the voting power of the native population through mass immigration? Tell me how this rhetoric would not radicalize any normal citizen.
  - dgellow 4mo ago
    Ironic to use the word “native” here, given that we are talking about birthright citizenship. Native, adjective, belonging to one by birth
  - malnourish 4mo ago
    That's kind of the history of the United States.
wat10000 4mo ago
Are you saying birthright citizenship played a significant factor in getting Trump elected? Illegal immigration certainly did, but birthright citizenship played roughly no role from what I saw. I'm not sure what you consider to qualify as large and wealthy, but most Western Hemisphere countries do it this way, including places like Canada, Argentina, and Brazil. If none of those qualify then you're getting awfully close to saying that the US is the only large and wealthy country, period. You're right that it could have worked fine in the past but then become a problem. But if that's your argument, I'm going to need something a little more comprehensive than "imagine if things worked the way they actually do work in dozens of countries and have worked for longer than any of us have been alive."