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Forestiere Underground Gardens

101 points by onemoresoop 4mo ago

Affric 4mo ago
Not sure if it was from the last time this was posted but there’s a decent YouTube video about this place.[1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUKRPoQKynk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUKRPoQKynk
- culi 4mo ago
  Almost all the videos on this channel are fascinating btw. Greenhouses enveloping entire houses/villages[0][1] in northern Europe to earthships[2] to someone growing citrus in Nebraska using trenches[3] to entire villages underground in Australia[4] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irp_HPzfxbQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irp_HPzfxbQ [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzKSKqjEmDA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzKSKqjEmDA [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVp5koAOu9M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVp5koAOu9M [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD_3_gsgsnk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD_3_gsgsnk [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coober_Pedy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coober_Pedy I'd also recommend the channels FLORB and Happen Films though they're admittedly a little corny. https://www.youtube.com/@happenfilms https://www.youtube.com/@happenfilms https://www.youtube.com/@FloatingOrbProductions https://www.youtube.com/@FloatingOrbProductions Crime Pays But Botany Doesn't recently did a tour of an interesting alt home as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YyWspKzbAw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YyWspKzbAw
  - aa-jv 4mo ago
    If these kinds of videos appeal to you (as they do, me), then you would also like the "Mossy Earth" and "Project Kamp" channels, which document various re-wilding and forest management/alternative housing projects going on in various regions. https://www.youtube.com/@ProjectKamp https://www.youtube.com/@ProjectKamp https://www.youtube.com/@MossyEarth https://www.youtube.com/@MossyEarth Very inspiring to be honest, I find myself looking for tiny home project ideas at least twice a month, alongside the perpetual scouting for cheap land in my neighborhood. I'd absolutely love to have the opportunity to participate in the construction of underground gardens, if only there were more projects like that out there. It fills all the Uncle Owen / Mos Eisley dreams I've had since 1977. ;) Anything to escape the concrete jungle rat-on-a-treadmill situation that most of us are in. At least I gave up the car trap .. no more commutes for me ..
    - culi 4mo ago
      Yes, I'm a fan of Project Kamp (and everything the Precious Plastic crew does) and Mossy Earth though sometimes their content feels a bit too polished/markety for my taste. But if you're into that you will absolutely relish everything Andrew Millison does. He's taught permaculture at Oregon State and then went on to work for the UN and made some astounding showcases of climate solutions from around the globe https://www.youtube.com/@amillison/videos https://www.youtube.com/@amillison/videos
      - aa-jv 4mo ago
        Thanks for that, putting it on my list - I think this industry is ripe for massive growth, personally. I concur that Mossy Earth can be a bit too slick .. but on the other hand, their projects are simply great. I live pretty close to one of their river re-wilding efforts, and it just keeps getting nicer and nicer.
  - fransje26 4mo ago
    Thank you for sharing! Just having went through a few episodes of violent thunderstorms with hail this month, I cannot help but wonder how resistant those glasshouses are?
    - culi 4mo ago
      Those are repurposed commercial greenhouses! Modern commercial greenhouses are custom-engineered to withstand hurricane-force winds (90 to 150+ mph) and heavy snow loads
aaron695 4mo ago
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WalterGR 4mo ago
Related: “The underground world of hobby tunneling” https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39245893 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39245893 272 points | Feb 3, 2024 | 164 comments
jeromie 4mo ago
My dad took me here a couple times as a kid, it's such a lovely place. Highly recommend checking it out, it's well worth the drive.
helterskelter 4mo ago
It's beautiful, but I wouldn't want to be down there in a major quake.
arjie 4mo ago
Are there places in the world where this is still possible? I.e. relatively in a state of order but where enforcement of this kind of thing is poor.
- defrost 4mo ago
  Sure, 4 Ha (10 acres) is an inconsequential corner of a 4,500 Ha farm with rural zoning - no one's going to care if you carve out a few underground spaces and rock wall them entirely and only at risk to yourself. Community standards kick in once you open such things to the public or move to sale w/out disclosing an invisible (or plainly visible) potential hazard that the buyer should be aware of. Well, in rural Australia at least.
psyclobe 4mo ago
I went there once yawwwn they make you listen to this hour dissertation... yeah don't take young kids there... snore fest..
rob74 4mo ago
One place this reminded me of (which isn't in the "see also" section): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jameos_del_Agua https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jameos_del_Agua on Lanzarote (Canary Islands). Both are underground structures inspired by traditional dwellings and take advantage of the cooling effect of underground structures, but Jameos del Agua is much larger and built inside a natural (partly collapsed) lava tube, not excavated. As a bonus, it has an endemic species of cave crab called jameito. Also something for fans of lavish 1960s architecture.
phikappa 4mo ago
Interesting case of double-layered false nominative determinism. Although foresta in Italian means "forest" and thus the surname would seem eminently plant-based, it actually means "foreigner", which I guess he also ended up being as Italian immigrant in the US. The etymology of forest and foreigner is closely related and means basically just "(from the) outside".
- rob74 4mo ago
  Wow, that's a really sneaky "false friend" in Italian! Especially since it even has the meaning of "forest-related" in other Latinic languages, e.g. in French route forestière = forest road.
  - bonzini 4mo ago
    Forest-related is "forestale" in Italian.
  - phikappa 4mo ago
    I wouldn't call it so much a false friend as forest/foreign (and forfeit and I'm sure a bunch of other words) all coming from the same Latin "foris" root and being semantically related. In Italian, outside is just "fuori". You're a foreigner to what you've forfeited in the forest.
- world2vec 4mo ago
  In Portuguese "forasteiro" can also be used to mean "foreigner" or "outsider".
NoboruWataya 4mo ago
Reminded me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lyttle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lyttle There is a good write-up/obituary of him at https://www.ft.com/content/fe13350f-6522-4892-b67e-301828b10070 https://www.ft.com/content/fe13350f-6522-4892-b67e-301828b10...
kilroy123 4mo ago
Crazy to see this on here! I grew up very close to this place. Fresno gets crazy hot in the summer, often well into the 100s or up to 40+ c. When you go down there, it's pretty shocking how cool it is, even in the middle of summer. Even with tons of natural light pouring in. Really makes you wonder why the heck we build homes the way we do in such hot places.
- marking-time 4mo ago
  I was there too kilroy. (Easterby/Kings Canyon/Roosevelt/CSUF) Growing up in the 60s I don't remember it being that hot, but it definitely got there before I left a couple of years ago. I blame the CVP, not climate change, for the increased temperatures. Perhaps I'm wrong.
phmx 4mo ago
This reminds of a moisture farm from the Star Wars — https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Lars_homestead https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Lars_homestead
- jefurii 4mo ago
  "Well, if there's a bright center to the universe, you're on the planet that it's farthest from."
LeChuck 4mo ago
Reminds me a little bit of Ferdinand Cheval and his Palais idéal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Cheval#Palais_id%C3%A9al https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Cheval#Palais_id%C3%... Well worth a visit, oddly touching in a way.
fittingopposite 4mo ago
Wondering, how this deals with drainage in heavy rainfall?

101 points by onemoresoop 4mo ago

Not sure if it was from the last time this was posted but there’s a decent YouTube video about this place.[1] [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUKRPoQKynk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUKRPoQKynk

culi 4mo ago
Almost all the videos on this channel are fascinating btw. Greenhouses enveloping entire houses/villages[0][1] in northern Europe to earthships[2] to someone growing citrus in Nebraska using trenches[3] to entire villages underground in Australia[4] [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irp_HPzfxbQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irp_HPzfxbQ [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzKSKqjEmDA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzKSKqjEmDA [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVp5koAOu9M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVp5koAOu9M [3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD_3_gsgsnk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD_3_gsgsnk [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coober_Pedy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coober_Pedy I'd also recommend the channels FLORB and Happen Films though they're admittedly a little corny. https://www.youtube.com/@happenfilms https://www.youtube.com/@happenfilms https://www.youtube.com/@FloatingOrbProductions https://www.youtube.com/@FloatingOrbProductions Crime Pays But Botany Doesn't recently did a tour of an interesting alt home as well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YyWspKzbAw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YyWspKzbAw
- aa-jv 4mo ago
  If these kinds of videos appeal to you (as they do, me), then you would also like the "Mossy Earth" and "Project Kamp" channels, which document various re-wilding and forest management/alternative housing projects going on in various regions. https://www.youtube.com/@ProjectKamp https://www.youtube.com/@ProjectKamp https://www.youtube.com/@MossyEarth https://www.youtube.com/@MossyEarth Very inspiring to be honest, I find myself looking for tiny home project ideas at least twice a month, alongside the perpetual scouting for cheap land in my neighborhood. I'd absolutely love to have the opportunity to participate in the construction of underground gardens, if only there were more projects like that out there. It fills all the Uncle Owen / Mos Eisley dreams I've had since 1977. ;) Anything to escape the concrete jungle rat-on-a-treadmill situation that most of us are in. At least I gave up the car trap .. no more commutes for me ..
  - culi 4mo ago
    Yes, I'm a fan of Project Kamp (and everything the Precious Plastic crew does) and Mossy Earth though sometimes their content feels a bit too polished/markety for my taste. But if you're into that you will absolutely relish everything Andrew Millison does. He's taught permaculture at Oregon State and then went on to work for the UN and made some astounding showcases of climate solutions from around the globe https://www.youtube.com/@amillison/videos https://www.youtube.com/@amillison/videos
    - aa-jv 4mo ago
      Thanks for that, putting it on my list - I think this industry is ripe for massive growth, personally. I concur that Mossy Earth can be a bit too slick .. but on the other hand, their projects are simply great. I live pretty close to one of their river re-wilding efforts, and it just keeps getting nicer and nicer.
- fransje26 4mo ago
  Thank you for sharing! Just having went through a few episodes of violent thunderstorms with hail this month, I cannot help but wonder how resistant those glasshouses are?
  - culi 4mo ago
    Those are repurposed commercial greenhouses! Modern commercial greenhouses are custom-engineered to withstand hurricane-force winds (90 to 150+ mph) and heavy snow loads

aaron695 4mo ago

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WalterGR 4mo ago

Related: “The underground world of hobby tunneling” https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39245893 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39245893 272 points | Feb 3, 2024 | 164 comments

jeromie 4mo ago

My dad took me here a couple times as a kid, it's such a lovely place. Highly recommend checking it out, it's well worth the drive.

helterskelter 4mo ago

It's beautiful, but I wouldn't want to be down there in a major quake.

arjie 4mo ago

Are there places in the world where this is still possible? I.e. relatively in a state of order but where enforcement of this kind of thing is poor.

defrost 4mo ago
Sure, 4 Ha (10 acres) is an inconsequential corner of a 4,500 Ha farm with rural zoning - no one's going to care if you carve out a few underground spaces and rock wall them entirely and only at risk to yourself. Community standards kick in once you open such things to the public or move to sale w/out disclosing an invisible (or plainly visible) potential hazard that the buyer should be aware of. Well, in rural Australia at least.

psyclobe 4mo ago

I went there once yawwwn they make you listen to this hour dissertation... yeah don't take young kids there... snore fest..

rob74 4mo ago

One place this reminded me of (which isn't in the "see also" section): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jameos_del_Agua https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jameos_del_Agua on Lanzarote (Canary Islands). Both are underground structures inspired by traditional dwellings and take advantage of the cooling effect of underground structures, but Jameos del Agua is much larger and built inside a natural (partly collapsed) lava tube, not excavated. As a bonus, it has an endemic species of cave crab called jameito. Also something for fans of lavish 1960s architecture.

phikappa 4mo ago

Interesting case of double-layered false nominative determinism. Although foresta in Italian means "forest" and thus the surname would seem eminently plant-based, it actually means "foreigner", which I guess he also ended up being as Italian immigrant in the US. The etymology of forest and foreigner is closely related and means basically just "(from the) outside".

rob74 4mo ago
Wow, that's a really sneaky "false friend" in Italian! Especially since it even has the meaning of "forest-related" in other Latinic languages, e.g. in French route forestière = forest road.
- bonzini 4mo ago
  Forest-related is "forestale" in Italian.
- phikappa 4mo ago
  I wouldn't call it so much a false friend as forest/foreign (and forfeit and I'm sure a bunch of other words) all coming from the same Latin "foris" root and being semantically related. In Italian, outside is just "fuori". You're a foreigner to what you've forfeited in the forest.
world2vec 4mo ago
In Portuguese "forasteiro" can also be used to mean "foreigner" or "outsider".

NoboruWataya 4mo ago

Reminded me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lyttle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Lyttle There is a good write-up/obituary of him at https://www.ft.com/content/fe13350f-6522-4892-b67e-301828b10070 https://www.ft.com/content/fe13350f-6522-4892-b67e-301828b10...

kilroy123 4mo ago

Crazy to see this on here! I grew up very close to this place. Fresno gets crazy hot in the summer, often well into the 100s or up to 40+ c. When you go down there, it's pretty shocking how cool it is, even in the middle of summer. Even with tons of natural light pouring in. Really makes you wonder why the heck we build homes the way we do in such hot places.

marking-time 4mo ago
I was there too kilroy. (Easterby/Kings Canyon/Roosevelt/CSUF) Growing up in the 60s I don't remember it being that hot, but it definitely got there before I left a couple of years ago. I blame the CVP, not climate change, for the increased temperatures. Perhaps I'm wrong.

phmx 4mo ago

This reminds of a moisture farm from the Star Wars — https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Lars_homestead https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Lars_homestead

jefurii 4mo ago
"Well, if there's a bright center to the universe, you're on the planet that it's farthest from."

LeChuck 4mo ago

Reminds me a little bit of Ferdinand Cheval and his Palais idéal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Cheval#Palais_id%C3%A9al https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferdinand_Cheval#Palais_id%C3%... Well worth a visit, oddly touching in a way.

fittingopposite 4mo ago

Wondering, how this deals with drainage in heavy rainfall?