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"It's not illegal" is only an argument against lawsuits / law enforcement involvement. Those PoW anti-AI things people put on pages aren't illegal either.

by lmz 3mo ago

bayindirh 3mo ago
No. From my interactions, I have understood that some people use the same argument to wash their consciences from any guilt. What they do is unethical, but not illegal, and they hide under the same argument to drown the ethical angle. In other words, being honest to oneself is important. Anti-scraping measures people utilize are neither unethical nor illegal. That’s the difference.
- DrewADesign 3mo ago
  I’m still frequently shocked by the entitlement people feel to other people’s work/ideas/data/bandwidth/server load, to feed a multi-trillion dollar industry. I find the totally cynical “well when you’re making an omelet…” types to be a bit pathetic, but I understand their motivation— they’re simply greedy. But I just can’t understand the genuine indignation about people attempting to limit or stop ingestion of their own work, even if it’s just for the bandwidth costs. Go ingest your own shit.
  - windexh8er 3mo ago
    I often wonder what those people are like IRL. I'd surmise they're the people that are easy to hate. Greedy and intolerable yet want to be the focus.
- epestr 3mo ago
  It's good to agree that some don't have a conscience, and maintaining an appearance matters more. And appearances change based on what's legal or not. They could detect the other AI labs and also silently burn the tokens at a faster rate providing fewer tokens for money, which does sound illegal to me. The comments only further prove that without more regulation around this, big AI wouldn't have a "don't be evil" attitude going forward.
  - Forgeties79 3mo ago
    Anyone who called for regulations/guardrails of any kind were shouted down as Luddites who hate progress. We all knew this was going to be a mess but $$$ so screw it right?
    - lossyalgo 3mo ago
      Maybe that's how OpenAI was able to blow $5.73 BILLION dollars on "marketing" i.e. paying politicians and influencers.

"It's not illegal" is only an argument against lawsuits / law enforcement involvement. Those PoW anti-AI things people put on pages aren't illegal either.

by lmz 3mo ago

"It's not illegal" is only an argument against lawsuits / law enforcement involvement. Those PoW anti-AI things people put on pages aren't illegal either.

bayindirh 3mo ago

No. From my interactions, I have understood that some people use the same argument to wash their consciences from any guilt. What they do is unethical, but not illegal, and they hide under the same argument to drown the ethical angle. In other words, being honest to oneself is important. Anti-scraping measures people utilize are neither unethical nor illegal. That’s the difference.

DrewADesign 3mo ago
I’m still frequently shocked by the entitlement people feel to other people’s work/ideas/data/bandwidth/server load, to feed a multi-trillion dollar industry. I find the totally cynical “well when you’re making an omelet…” types to be a bit pathetic, but I understand their motivation— they’re simply greedy. But I just can’t understand the genuine indignation about people attempting to limit or stop ingestion of their own work, even if it’s just for the bandwidth costs. Go ingest your own shit.
- windexh8er 3mo ago
  I often wonder what those people are like IRL. I'd surmise they're the people that are easy to hate. Greedy and intolerable yet want to be the focus.
epestr 3mo ago
It's good to agree that some don't have a conscience, and maintaining an appearance matters more. And appearances change based on what's legal or not. They could detect the other AI labs and also silently burn the tokens at a faster rate providing fewer tokens for money, which does sound illegal to me. The comments only further prove that without more regulation around this, big AI wouldn't have a "don't be evil" attitude going forward.
- Forgeties79 3mo ago
  Anyone who called for regulations/guardrails of any kind were shouted down as Luddites who hate progress. We all knew this was going to be a mess but $$$ so screw it right?
  - lossyalgo 3mo ago
    Maybe that's how OpenAI was able to blow $5.73 BILLION dollars on "marketing" i.e. paying politicians and influencers.