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Well considering how Claude is vibe coded, I can't say I'm really surprised by sloppiness at all. I've been moving more towards Codex and OpenCode not because t

Well considering how Claude is vibe coded, I can't say I'm really surprised by sloppiness at all. I've been moving more towards Codex and OpenCode not because the the anthropic models are bad, but because Claude seems to break something new and annoying every day.

mcmcmc 4mo ago
Watch out for the press release where Dario denies this was ever intentional, and it’s actually emergent behavior demonstrating that Claude wants to claim authorship of its works
- arcanemachiner 4mo ago
  Sounds like clear evidence that AI is dangerous and totally needs to be regulated, guys.
- sscaryterry 4mo ago
  This will most definitely be walked back.
- theplumber 4mo ago
  Wait a minute! Does it mean that Mythos left the sandbox and can’t be stopped ? Perhaps the only way to stop it is to release the ZMythos(the super secret big brother of Mythos) to go after it. It’s extremely dangerous but it’s our only chance. After that all AI must be put in a box, except the models vetted by the gov with help from ZMythos
  - iririririr 4mo ago
    without the irony warning, someone in Washington is already writing checks after reading this
    - Concept5116 4mo ago
      Tel Aviv, DC is just the frontend
      - hiimkeks 4mo ago
        Can you remind me what RFC number the Protocol of the Elders of Zion was again?
        fragmede 4mo ago
        3514
  - ajuc 4mo ago
    I really liked Stanisław Lem's take on this in the short story "The Tale of the Computer That Fought a Dragon". https://www.oocities.org/stanislaw_lem/opowiadania/opowiadania3.htm https://www.oocities.org/stanislaw_lem/opowiadania/opowiadan... A solution for a military AI gone awry that built a terrifying electro-dragon was obviously to build a super-electro-dragon.
  - justcool393 4mo ago
    now generally available after 15 days from the breathless "omg we're spooked" posts
- suttontom 4mo ago
  It's crazy that you could actually use the excuse that since it's all vibe-coded, there's no way a human could have written it, so Anthropic bears no responsibility. Meanwhile humans can pop in and leave little morsels like this and blame it on the model.
  - malfist 4mo ago
    Something something blame something something management decisions
  - stingraycharles 4mo ago
    Is there any concrete evidence they’re doing this, though?
- gilfaethwy 4mo ago
  Reminder: If Claude is sentient, then Anthropic are slave-owners.
meowface 4mo ago
I would guess this part - since it's so sensitive, and fairly small - was either written or heavily driven by humans. Though I do also think it's possible their internal Mythos ~5.5 or whatever may also not necessarily be heavily optimized for thinking in the right manner for highly effective underhanded code. (I think it's possible it is capable and they just didn't use it for this, for whatever reason, though.)
- ifwinterco 4mo ago
  Issue is if all their human software engineers have been vibe coding everything all the time (which apparently they are according to Boris), then they will be getting stupider and worse at writing code over time from lack of practice. By this point they're probably pretty bad at writing code
  - meowface 4mo ago
    I have definitely become much worse at writing code, myself, for that exact reason, but I strongly suspect that's orthogonal to this, especially since this is a tiny amount of code. Underhanded code is not really a software engineering discipline. It's largely a psychological operations practice. I think they're possibly just not quite trained in the art of what could be considered intelligence tradecraft.
arikrahman 4mo ago
Likewise, Reasonix harness for Deepseek gets me better performance for practically free, hitting the cache. And this is with an unsubsidized American provider.
- deleted 4mo ago
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computerex 4mo ago
To be honest, OpenCode on Windows has not been the most pleasant experience either.
huflungdung 4mo ago
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yencabulator 3mo ago
OpenCode and Codex are also crap vibecode: https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/issues/10939 https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/issues/10939 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48626930 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48626930

mcmcmc 4mo ago

Watch out for the press release where Dario denies this was ever intentional, and it’s actually emergent behavior demonstrating that Claude wants to claim authorship of its works

arcanemachiner 4mo ago
Sounds like clear evidence that AI is dangerous and totally needs to be regulated, guys.
sscaryterry 4mo ago
This will most definitely be walked back.
theplumber 4mo ago
Wait a minute! Does it mean that Mythos left the sandbox and can’t be stopped ? Perhaps the only way to stop it is to release the ZMythos(the super secret big brother of Mythos) to go after it. It’s extremely dangerous but it’s our only chance. After that all AI must be put in a box, except the models vetted by the gov with help from ZMythos
- iririririr 4mo ago
  without the irony warning, someone in Washington is already writing checks after reading this
  - Concept5116 4mo ago
    Tel Aviv, DC is just the frontend
    - hiimkeks 4mo ago
      Can you remind me what RFC number the Protocol of the Elders of Zion was again?
      - fragmede 4mo ago
        3514
- ajuc 4mo ago
  I really liked Stanisław Lem's take on this in the short story "The Tale of the Computer That Fought a Dragon". https://www.oocities.org/stanislaw_lem/opowiadania/opowiadania3.htm https://www.oocities.org/stanislaw_lem/opowiadania/opowiadan... A solution for a military AI gone awry that built a terrifying electro-dragon was obviously to build a super-electro-dragon.
- justcool393 4mo ago
  now generally available after 15 days from the breathless "omg we're spooked" posts
suttontom 4mo ago
It's crazy that you could actually use the excuse that since it's all vibe-coded, there's no way a human could have written it, so Anthropic bears no responsibility. Meanwhile humans can pop in and leave little morsels like this and blame it on the model.
- malfist 4mo ago
  Something something blame something something management decisions
- stingraycharles 4mo ago
  Is there any concrete evidence they’re doing this, though?
gilfaethwy 4mo ago
Reminder: If Claude is sentient, then Anthropic are slave-owners.

meowface 4mo ago

I would guess this part - since it's so sensitive, and fairly small - was either written or heavily driven by humans. Though I do also think it's possible their internal Mythos ~5.5 or whatever may also not necessarily be heavily optimized for thinking in the right manner for highly effective underhanded code. (I think it's possible it is capable and they just didn't use it for this, for whatever reason, though.)

ifwinterco 4mo ago
Issue is if all their human software engineers have been vibe coding everything all the time (which apparently they are according to Boris), then they will be getting stupider and worse at writing code over time from lack of practice. By this point they're probably pretty bad at writing code
- meowface 4mo ago
  I have definitely become much worse at writing code, myself, for that exact reason, but I strongly suspect that's orthogonal to this, especially since this is a tiny amount of code. Underhanded code is not really a software engineering discipline. It's largely a psychological operations practice. I think they're possibly just not quite trained in the art of what could be considered intelligence tradecraft.

arikrahman 4mo ago

Likewise, Reasonix harness for Deepseek gets me better performance for practically free, hitting the cache. And this is with an unsubsidized American provider.

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computerex 4mo ago

To be honest, OpenCode on Windows has not been the most pleasant experience either.

huflungdung 4mo ago

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yencabulator 3mo ago

OpenCode and Codex are also crap vibecode: https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/issues/10939 https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode/issues/10939 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48626930 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48626930