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Circumcision is fine I guess. What’s weird is when it’s not done in a proper setting (hospital) but in a ritual and by some person who is not a medically licen

Circumcision is fine I guess. What’s weird is when it’s not done in a proper setting (hospital) but in a ritual and by some person who is not a medically licensed. Another thing that we should all have a problem with is the non consenting age of 0. Ultimately, at least hire a doctor and do it in sanitary conditions.

mmooss 4mo ago
There's nothing weird about a religious ritual in a religious setting. > not a medically licensed > hire a doctor and do it in sanitary conditions. Most procedures are done at home by unlicensed people (e.g., family, home healthcare aids). The people who perform circumcisions are trained, experienced, and, afaik, licensed. There's no crisis of bad health outcomes. It's a non-issue created by anti-semites to attack Judaism, and persuade some others to join in (see the GP).
- nulld3v 4mo ago
  There is absolutely a crisis of bad health outcomes due to relatively simple home medical procedures. E.g. People take Tylenol at home thinking it is safe, meanwhile Tylenol posionsing is the second most common reason for liver transplantation worldwide. The reason we accept these crisis is due to societal, cultural and religious tradition/pressure. IMO, in an ideal world, many of these things should draw additional scrutiny.
- onemoresoop 4mo ago
  I think some religious rituals are weird as hell and are better of relegated to the past or at least asapted to the present. Female mutilation is atrocious, male circumcision is similar but not as debilitating to the non consenting subject. Move the age of the procedure to a consenting age and nobody will give a damn. But wait, why put in danger the practice since young adults may refuse to do it? Better put the head in the sand and double up, suction and all that…
  - mmooss 4mo ago
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    - wpm 4mo ago
      Whose freedom are you talking about and to do what? You seem like you are interested only in defending the parent's freedom to mutiliate their child's genitals, not the child;s right to not have parts of their flesh flayed off for no reason. Do you not believe a child has a right to not have parts of their body removed for non-medical purposes without their consent?
- hector124 4mo ago
  > created by anti-semites to attack Judaism, and persuade some others to join in FWIW I reject this characterization entirely and I think your position is ideologically eroded by you reaching for it. People are allowed to criticize circumcision as a practice without being antisemitic. The entire reason I'm posting under a throwaway right now is because I expected this kind of accusation to come out.
  - mmooss 3mo ago
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- thin_carapace 4mo ago
  noting the idea that it is anti semitic to disagree with circumcision, for later evaluation

mmooss 4mo ago

There's nothing weird about a religious ritual in a religious setting. > not a medically licensed > hire a doctor and do it in sanitary conditions. Most procedures are done at home by unlicensed people (e.g., family, home healthcare aids). The people who perform circumcisions are trained, experienced, and, afaik, licensed. There's no crisis of bad health outcomes. It's a non-issue created by anti-semites to attack Judaism, and persuade some others to join in (see the GP).

nulld3v 4mo ago
There is absolutely a crisis of bad health outcomes due to relatively simple home medical procedures. E.g. People take Tylenol at home thinking it is safe, meanwhile Tylenol posionsing is the second most common reason for liver transplantation worldwide. The reason we accept these crisis is due to societal, cultural and religious tradition/pressure. IMO, in an ideal world, many of these things should draw additional scrutiny.
onemoresoop 4mo ago
I think some religious rituals are weird as hell and are better of relegated to the past or at least asapted to the present. Female mutilation is atrocious, male circumcision is similar but not as debilitating to the non consenting subject. Move the age of the procedure to a consenting age and nobody will give a damn. But wait, why put in danger the practice since young adults may refuse to do it? Better put the head in the sand and double up, suction and all that…
- mmooss 4mo ago
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  - wpm 4mo ago
    Whose freedom are you talking about and to do what? You seem like you are interested only in defending the parent's freedom to mutiliate their child's genitals, not the child;s right to not have parts of their flesh flayed off for no reason. Do you not believe a child has a right to not have parts of their body removed for non-medical purposes without their consent?
hector124 4mo ago
> created by anti-semites to attack Judaism, and persuade some others to join in FWIW I reject this characterization entirely and I think your position is ideologically eroded by you reaching for it. People are allowed to criticize circumcision as a practice without being antisemitic. The entire reason I'm posting under a throwaway right now is because I expected this kind of accusation to come out.
- mmooss 3mo ago
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thin_carapace 4mo ago
noting the idea that it is anti semitic to disagree with circumcision, for later evaluation