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We’re stochastic parrots most of the time, with a varying ability to reason but opting for pattern conformity usually

by yieldcrv 4mo ago

danielmarkbruce 4mo ago
This is getting voted down because people just hate the idea that it's true.
- bluefirebrand 4mo ago
  No it's down voted because we didn't stochastic parrot ourselves into landing on the moon and building the internet and modern highways and skyscrapers Dismissing humanity that was is absurd
  - yieldcrv 4mo ago
    LLMs with reality interfaces (aka a body) can do those things, add world models and they'll do all those things better in our world, the first time and better than us. because the failures would have happened inside the world model
    - bluefirebrand 4mo ago
      The point is that they cannot do that to themselves. They cannot decide to add world models and build exoskeletons and make that happen without our intervention
      - yieldcrv 4mo ago
        Stochastically parroting a moving goal post that wasn’t presented as a point at all earlier, imo I can play devils advocate too. The first agents running LLMs and other models that get a capable exoskeleton can do the same for the other LLMs that will be tasked to execute the guidance, agentically
  - danielmarkbruce 4mo ago
    Yeah, we did. It took humans 100,000 or so years to land on the moon - we aren't so clever.
hallway_monitor 4mo ago
What is reasoning except applying another pattern on top of existing thought? Personally it seems like I and everyone else is simply pattern matching, albeit at a higher level than current LLMs. There is no difference in the process as far as I can tell, just different inputs.
enaaem 4mo ago
In some meditation practices, the task is to observe the stochastic parrot in your head. You will soon realise that you cannot control this parrot. If you cannot control your thoughts, could it be that you are not your thoughts? And if you are not your thoughts--the word stream in your head--what are you then?

We’re stochastic parrots most of the time, with a varying ability to reason but opting for pattern conformity usually

danielmarkbruce 4mo ago

This is getting voted down because people just hate the idea that it's true.

bluefirebrand 4mo ago
No it's down voted because we didn't stochastic parrot ourselves into landing on the moon and building the internet and modern highways and skyscrapers Dismissing humanity that was is absurd
- yieldcrv 4mo ago
  LLMs with reality interfaces (aka a body) can do those things, add world models and they'll do all those things better in our world, the first time and better than us. because the failures would have happened inside the world model
  - bluefirebrand 4mo ago
    The point is that they cannot do that to themselves. They cannot decide to add world models and build exoskeletons and make that happen without our intervention
    - yieldcrv 4mo ago
      Stochastically parroting a moving goal post that wasn’t presented as a point at all earlier, imo I can play devils advocate too. The first agents running LLMs and other models that get a capable exoskeleton can do the same for the other LLMs that will be tasked to execute the guidance, agentically
- danielmarkbruce 4mo ago
  Yeah, we did. It took humans 100,000 or so years to land on the moon - we aren't so clever.

hallway_monitor 4mo ago

What is reasoning except applying another pattern on top of existing thought? Personally it seems like I and everyone else is simply pattern matching, albeit at a higher level than current LLMs. There is no difference in the process as far as I can tell, just different inputs.

enaaem 4mo ago

In some meditation practices, the task is to observe the stochastic parrot in your head. You will soon realise that you cannot control this parrot. If you cannot control your thoughts, could it be that you are not your thoughts? And if you are not your thoughts--the word stream in your head--what are you then?