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It's considered very anti-semitic in America to be against male genital mutilation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League#Circumcision https://e

It's considered very anti-semitic in America to be against male genital mutilation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League#Circumcision https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Defamation_League#Circumc... When Iceland tried to ban it, the ADL had some very choice words about the potential consequences. > Greenblatt sent Iceland's Parliament a letter regarding a proposed infant circumcision ban in that country, arguing that the ban should be rejected due to circumcision's religious significance and health benefits. Greenblatt also said that if the ban passed, the ADL would report on any celebration by antisemites and other extremists, asserting that this would deter tourism and harm Iceland's economy It's scary stuff.

elric 3mo ago
That isn't even the point though. The circumcision itself is perfectly legal in Belgium. The legal issue is with the lack of qualifications of the ones performing them in this case.
- hector124 3mo ago
  Certainly. The part I'm trying to draw light towards is American zionists' bizarre attitude towards circumcision and how eager they are to invoke claims of antisemitism when remotely challenged on it.
  - wil421 3mo ago
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    - hector124 3mo ago
      Yes - on HN sometimes users use a "throwaway" account when they're commenting on a topic which is particularly charged. I'm surprised this isn't something you're familiar with! I chose to use a throwaway because this topic in particular frequently invites accusations of ill-motivation, sort of like the one you were reaching for.
  - antonvs 3mo ago
    You may be overthinking it. Circumcision rates in the US have been as high as 85% historically, and even today are as high as 75% in the Midwest. A perceived attack on circumcision is an attack on the fundamentalist religion that the Americans currently in power claim to follow.
- elil17 3mo ago
  The particular circumcision was also performed in an unsanitary manner (metzitzah b'peh), hence why a whistleblower brought it to the attention of authorities and it was prosecuted. This is not accepted practice in the US either. No one here is getting arrested for doing a normal at-home bris, even if it's technically illegal.
yardie 3mo ago
> the ADL would report on any celebration by antisemites and other extremists, asserting that this would deter tourism and harm Iceland's economy If everything is antisemitism then nothing is antisemitism.
mmooss 3mo ago
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- onemoresoop 3mo ago
  Circumcision is fine I guess. What’s weird is when it’s not done in a proper setting (hospital) but in a ritual and by some person who is not a medically licensed. Another thing that we should all have a problem with is the non consenting age of 0. Ultimately, at least hire a doctor and do it in sanitary conditions.
  - mmooss 3mo ago
    There's nothing weird about a religious ritual in a religious setting. > not a medically licensed > hire a doctor and do it in sanitary conditions. Most procedures are done at home by unlicensed people (e.g., family, home healthcare aids). The people who perform circumcisions are trained, experienced, and, afaik, licensed. There's no crisis of bad health outcomes. It's a non-issue created by anti-semites to attack Judaism, and persuade some others to join in (see the GP).
    - nulld3v 3mo ago
      There is absolutely a crisis of bad health outcomes due to relatively simple home medical procedures. E.g. People take Tylenol at home thinking it is safe, meanwhile Tylenol posionsing is the second most common reason for liver transplantation worldwide. The reason we accept these crisis is due to societal, cultural and religious tradition/pressure. IMO, in an ideal world, many of these things should draw additional scrutiny.
    - onemoresoop 3mo ago
      I think some religious rituals are weird as hell and are better of relegated to the past or at least asapted to the present. Female mutilation is atrocious, male circumcision is similar but not as debilitating to the non consenting subject. Move the age of the procedure to a consenting age and nobody will give a damn. But wait, why put in danger the practice since young adults may refuse to do it? Better put the head in the sand and double up, suction and all that…
einpoklum 3mo ago
The ADL is a rather discredited pro-Israel organization. It reports protests of Israel and of Zionism as "anti-semitism". Here's a link to a documentary about it from 2009: http://www.defamation-thefilm.com/ http://www.defamation-thefilm.com/

elric 3mo ago

That isn't even the point though. The circumcision itself is perfectly legal in Belgium. The legal issue is with the lack of qualifications of the ones performing them in this case.

hector124 3mo ago
Certainly. The part I'm trying to draw light towards is American zionists' bizarre attitude towards circumcision and how eager they are to invoke claims of antisemitism when remotely challenged on it.
- wil421 3mo ago
  [flagged]
  - hector124 3mo ago
    Yes - on HN sometimes users use a "throwaway" account when they're commenting on a topic which is particularly charged. I'm surprised this isn't something you're familiar with! I chose to use a throwaway because this topic in particular frequently invites accusations of ill-motivation, sort of like the one you were reaching for.
- antonvs 3mo ago
  You may be overthinking it. Circumcision rates in the US have been as high as 85% historically, and even today are as high as 75% in the Midwest. A perceived attack on circumcision is an attack on the fundamentalist religion that the Americans currently in power claim to follow.
elil17 3mo ago
The particular circumcision was also performed in an unsanitary manner (metzitzah b'peh), hence why a whistleblower brought it to the attention of authorities and it was prosecuted. This is not accepted practice in the US either. No one here is getting arrested for doing a normal at-home bris, even if it's technically illegal.

yardie 3mo ago

> the ADL would report on any celebration by antisemites and other extremists, asserting that this would deter tourism and harm Iceland's economy If everything is antisemitism then nothing is antisemitism.

mmooss 3mo ago

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onemoresoop 3mo ago
Circumcision is fine I guess. What’s weird is when it’s not done in a proper setting (hospital) but in a ritual and by some person who is not a medically licensed. Another thing that we should all have a problem with is the non consenting age of 0. Ultimately, at least hire a doctor and do it in sanitary conditions.
- mmooss 3mo ago
  There's nothing weird about a religious ritual in a religious setting. > not a medically licensed > hire a doctor and do it in sanitary conditions. Most procedures are done at home by unlicensed people (e.g., family, home healthcare aids). The people who perform circumcisions are trained, experienced, and, afaik, licensed. There's no crisis of bad health outcomes. It's a non-issue created by anti-semites to attack Judaism, and persuade some others to join in (see the GP).
  - nulld3v 3mo ago
    There is absolutely a crisis of bad health outcomes due to relatively simple home medical procedures. E.g. People take Tylenol at home thinking it is safe, meanwhile Tylenol posionsing is the second most common reason for liver transplantation worldwide. The reason we accept these crisis is due to societal, cultural and religious tradition/pressure. IMO, in an ideal world, many of these things should draw additional scrutiny.
  - onemoresoop 3mo ago
    I think some religious rituals are weird as hell and are better of relegated to the past or at least asapted to the present. Female mutilation is atrocious, male circumcision is similar but not as debilitating to the non consenting subject. Move the age of the procedure to a consenting age and nobody will give a damn. But wait, why put in danger the practice since young adults may refuse to do it? Better put the head in the sand and double up, suction and all that…

einpoklum 3mo ago

The ADL is a rather discredited pro-Israel organization. It reports protests of Israel and of Zionism as "anti-semitism". Here's a link to a documentary about it from 2009: http://www.defamation-thefilm.com/ http://www.defamation-thefilm.com/