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US civil rights movement? Seriously? Different times different people. In the latest free speech crusade a rich guy just changed the kind of speech is allowed o

by mrtksn 4mo ago

US civil rights movement? Seriously? Different times different people. In the latest free speech crusade a rich guy just changed the kind of speech is allowed on his platform. Online speech is heavily restricted on US platforms, as accounts are shadow banned/rate limited/deleted all the time. What freedom of speech examples do you have that involve living people? Every single one freedom of speech fighter are fascist who demand some other speech be suppressed and theirs amplified. Remember their attitudes over the Charlie Kirk assassination reactions? I don't really care about the courts in this, you win in court and never speak again anything new because you don't want to go through all this again. And who cares if you can tell someone something if you can't engage with them. Are you casting a spell? why would you care someone hears you? In USA they take you to safe distance behind some barriers to tell your thing. Useless stuff. I don't know why you believe that you can't inform people about the genocide of Gaza in Europe, in fact Europeans are significantly more informed on this and having flotillas and what not. US free speech seems to be performative. Its even limited to words, they try not to say the N word and do all their racism without that, then they are relieved when they end up saying the N word and claim freedom of speech win. It's weird from European perspective.

complianceowll 3mo ago
If you're not going to give reliable sources and at least point to a couple specific examples, then your comment means nothing. "in fact Europeans are significantly more informed on this", "US free speech seems to be performative". And then there's the, "Are you casting a spell?". You really think you did something there lol. Sources. Examples. Otherwise, you're just someone who can string together complete sentences and break up concepts into paragraphs for easy reading.
- mrtksn 3mo ago
  Europeans are able to talk whatever they like about Gaza, WTF? Go Google Greta Thunberg, go research for the Gaza flotillas, go find the polls on the issue if you want sources. What you can't do is to demand killing of the Jewish people and I like it stay like that. That's significantly more freedom than US where you can loose your career, government funding, you can get deported or visa denied etc. if you talk about the genocide in Gaza.
  - complianceowll 3mo ago
    I say this in all seriousness: are you that ideologically brainwashed that you think Americans can't talk about Gaza whenever we like? Haha. Bud, stop living vicariously through headlines, touch grass, and understand that the headlines your wonderful algorithm is feeding is not real life....."WTF?" Your last paragraph is a bit incoherent, so I don't know exactly how to respond, but no, I am not demanding the killing of Jewish people nor the killing of any Palestinian. I can always tell when someone is off the rails in ideology because the picture they paint is so detached from reality that it doesn't hold under the most minor scrutiny. That someone is you.
    - mrtksn 3mo ago
      Of course they can talk about Gaza, its just that they may face the wrath of the US government in form of funding cuts like this: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/03/trump-administration-harvard-funding-cut https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/03/trump-admini... TBF USA is very restrictive on speech, just less direct about it. All platforms are American and we can see that speech is strictly restricted through indirect means. Even here, I had my account rate limited so many times on political topics.
      - complianceowll 3mo ago
        Nah
        mrtksn 3mo ago
        I even have to be polite to you despite your attitude, if you were in Europe as well that would have been optional :)
        complianceowll 3mo ago
        Still nah :)
      - aa-jv 3mo ago
aa-jv 3mo ago
>US civil rights movement? Seriously? Different times different people. Within living memory for some of us. So not that different really. >What freedom of speech examples do you have that involve living people? Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, Virginia Guiffre. Medea Benjamin. You may argue that these are individuals whose speech was limited - and it was - but they have been protected nevertheless by the US' free speech laws, or they wouldn't have made as big a fuss as they have in the first place. >Every single one freedom of speech fighter are fascist who demand some other speech be suppressed and theirs amplified. This is a gross generalization. >I don't know why you believe that you can't inform people about the genocide of Gaza in Europe, in fact Europeans are significantly more informed on this and having flotillas and what not. Just try to show people the situation in Gaza, on the streets of Vienna, and see how far you get before the police turn up to suppress your right to discuss the atrocities in public.
- mrtksn 3mo ago
  > Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, Virginia Guiffre. Medea Benjamin. Your free speech examples are telling enough. You should check out what happened to them.
  - aa-jv 3mo ago
    Their speech was not actually suppressed, or else we wouldn't be talking about them. In fact their speech was protected by the courts, as intended. That the US Military/Industrial Intelligence Complex nevertheless violated their human rights extra-judiciously is another thing, and I concur with the cynicism over the whole 'phony human rights' stance of the US, especially given its recent overt support for actual genocide. But in our circle, members of these countries not currently being bombed into oblivion - in contrast, look at the "Witness J .. Witness K .. Witness L .." situation in Australia's secret star court ..
    - mrtksn 3mo ago
      So in other words it as Idi Amin of Uganda said: There is freedom of speech, but I cannot guarantee freedom after speech :) Just because you eventually go free after your life gets ruined by the government doesn't really make you better than Uganda. In those shitty countries they too go free eventually.

by mrtksn 4mo ago

complianceowll 3mo ago

If you're not going to give reliable sources and at least point to a couple specific examples, then your comment means nothing. "in fact Europeans are significantly more informed on this", "US free speech seems to be performative". And then there's the, "Are you casting a spell?". You really think you did something there lol. Sources. Examples. Otherwise, you're just someone who can string together complete sentences and break up concepts into paragraphs for easy reading.

mrtksn 3mo ago
Europeans are able to talk whatever they like about Gaza, WTF? Go Google Greta Thunberg, go research for the Gaza flotillas, go find the polls on the issue if you want sources. What you can't do is to demand killing of the Jewish people and I like it stay like that. That's significantly more freedom than US where you can loose your career, government funding, you can get deported or visa denied etc. if you talk about the genocide in Gaza.
- complianceowll 3mo ago
  I say this in all seriousness: are you that ideologically brainwashed that you think Americans can't talk about Gaza whenever we like? Haha. Bud, stop living vicariously through headlines, touch grass, and understand that the headlines your wonderful algorithm is feeding is not real life....."WTF?" Your last paragraph is a bit incoherent, so I don't know exactly how to respond, but no, I am not demanding the killing of Jewish people nor the killing of any Palestinian. I can always tell when someone is off the rails in ideology because the picture they paint is so detached from reality that it doesn't hold under the most minor scrutiny. That someone is you.
  - mrtksn 3mo ago
    Of course they can talk about Gaza, its just that they may face the wrath of the US government in form of funding cuts like this: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/03/trump-administration-harvard-funding-cut https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/03/trump-admini... TBF USA is very restrictive on speech, just less direct about it. All platforms are American and we can see that speech is strictly restricted through indirect means. Even here, I had my account rate limited so many times on political topics.
    - complianceowll 3mo ago
      Nah
      - mrtksn 3mo ago
        I even have to be polite to you despite your attitude, if you were in Europe as well that would have been optional :)
        complianceowll 3mo ago
        Still nah :)
    - aa-jv 3mo ago

aa-jv 3mo ago

>US civil rights movement? Seriously? Different times different people. Within living memory for some of us. So not that different really. >What freedom of speech examples do you have that involve living people? Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, Virginia Guiffre. Medea Benjamin. You may argue that these are individuals whose speech was limited - and it was - but they have been protected nevertheless by the US' free speech laws, or they wouldn't have made as big a fuss as they have in the first place. >Every single one freedom of speech fighter are fascist who demand some other speech be suppressed and theirs amplified. This is a gross generalization. >I don't know why you believe that you can't inform people about the genocide of Gaza in Europe, in fact Europeans are significantly more informed on this and having flotillas and what not. Just try to show people the situation in Gaza, on the streets of Vienna, and see how far you get before the police turn up to suppress your right to discuss the atrocities in public.

mrtksn 3mo ago
> Julian Assange, Edward Snowden, Virginia Guiffre. Medea Benjamin. Your free speech examples are telling enough. You should check out what happened to them.
- aa-jv 3mo ago
  Their speech was not actually suppressed, or else we wouldn't be talking about them. In fact their speech was protected by the courts, as intended. That the US Military/Industrial Intelligence Complex nevertheless violated their human rights extra-judiciously is another thing, and I concur with the cynicism over the whole 'phony human rights' stance of the US, especially given its recent overt support for actual genocide. But in our circle, members of these countries not currently being bombed into oblivion - in contrast, look at the "Witness J .. Witness K .. Witness L .." situation in Australia's secret star court ..
  - mrtksn 3mo ago
    So in other words it as Idi Amin of Uganda said: There is freedom of speech, but I cannot guarantee freedom after speech :) Just because you eventually go free after your life gets ruined by the government doesn't really make you better than Uganda. In those shitty countries they too go free eventually.