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Thr answer to US tech giants are not homegrown EU tech giants, but international free software (Free as in Freedom). We already have free operating systems: Lin

Thr answer to US tech giants are not homegrown EU tech giants, but international free software (Free as in Freedom). We already have free operating systems: Linux, BSD. Office software: LibreOffice, etc. EU regulators have stop listening to tech company lobbyists.

aardvarkr 4mo ago
Is any of that capable of replacing google and apple on mobile?
- p2detar 4mo ago
  Clearly it isn’t. This is what techies forget: The mass amount of Europeans don’t give 2 shits about digital sovereignty or open source. Christ, people go to mobile operator shops and give their unlocked phones to consultants to install or remove software for them. You want them to install GrapheneOS or manage a rooted device? That ain’t even funny. The only short-term solution is more regulation and more EU-centralized solutions, but of course this is only ok until the next chat-control drama. Long term, in practice we need single European stock market and a way to provide funding to European companies from any member state, so to be competitive globally without being constantly restricted by every member state’s bureaucracy.
  - wqaatwt 4mo ago
    > we need single European stock market New York alone has 2 stock exchanges. I don’t think that companies being listed in London, Paris and Frankfurt (they generally are listed on several anyway) is the actual issue. Especially these days the stock market is the very final stage anyway, most funding for growing tech companies is private funds, vc etc.
  - deaux 4mo ago
    > Clearly it isn’t. This is what techies forget: The mass amount of Europeans don’t give 2 shits about digital sovereignty or open source. When Trump was invading Denmark, a huge % of Danes would've given a shit about sovereignty from the US. And that's the moment to pounce.
    - CRConrad 4mo ago
      But that moment is gone.
dgellow 4mo ago
We need competing (and competent) lobbyists. Unfortunately one side has all the money, so there is a clear disadvantage
- fsflover 4mo ago
  Support https://edri.org https://edri.org if you want good lobbyists on your side.

aardvarkr 4mo ago

Is any of that capable of replacing google and apple on mobile?

p2detar 4mo ago
Clearly it isn’t. This is what techies forget: The mass amount of Europeans don’t give 2 shits about digital sovereignty or open source. Christ, people go to mobile operator shops and give their unlocked phones to consultants to install or remove software for them. You want them to install GrapheneOS or manage a rooted device? That ain’t even funny. The only short-term solution is more regulation and more EU-centralized solutions, but of course this is only ok until the next chat-control drama. Long term, in practice we need single European stock market and a way to provide funding to European companies from any member state, so to be competitive globally without being constantly restricted by every member state’s bureaucracy.
- wqaatwt 4mo ago
  > we need single European stock market New York alone has 2 stock exchanges. I don’t think that companies being listed in London, Paris and Frankfurt (they generally are listed on several anyway) is the actual issue. Especially these days the stock market is the very final stage anyway, most funding for growing tech companies is private funds, vc etc.
- deaux 4mo ago
  > Clearly it isn’t. This is what techies forget: The mass amount of Europeans don’t give 2 shits about digital sovereignty or open source. When Trump was invading Denmark, a huge % of Danes would've given a shit about sovereignty from the US. And that's the moment to pounce.
  - CRConrad 4mo ago
    But that moment is gone.

dgellow 4mo ago

We need competing (and competent) lobbyists. Unfortunately one side has all the money, so there is a clear disadvantage

fsflover 4mo ago
Support https://edri.org https://edri.org if you want good lobbyists on your side.