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Here in Germany we had court rulings saying the german railway (DB) must offer offline tickets that do not require a computer or smartphone to purchase to not d

Here in Germany we had court rulings saying the german railway (DB) must offer offline tickets that do not require a computer or smartphone to purchase to not discriminate against the elderly. I am pretty sure we will see similar rulings for EUDI wallet requiring Google/Apple.

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yorwba 4mo ago
There are AFAIK no plans to completely remove the offline ID everyone is currently required to carry, so I doubt there will be similar rulings for EUDI as long as it remains an optional alternative for people who want to use online services.
faust201 4mo ago
Ideally they should have also told all German banks distribute or offer non-App based accounts or 2FA? But they did not. Also people are dependent on Play or App store. DB does not offer the app for direct download.
- littlecranky67 4mo ago
  Well for banks there is competition (and largeest german consumer bank - Deutsche Bank/Postbank offers a non-smartphone based authentication device [0]). Not so much for government run railway. [0]: https://www.postbank.de/privatkunden/services/online-banking/bestsign.html https://www.postbank.de/privatkunden/services/online-banking...
  - faust201 4mo ago
    Many useful features like verified by visa or Google Pay or Apple pay is not available. If you are that anal then using railway does not need app. You can use a mobile browser or desktop. I have seen people show QR code from their computer too. For D-Ticket one can buy from one of the local transport associations - with Chip Card (I am using that).
    - littlecranky67 4mo ago
      What purpose does Apple Pay / Google Pay serve other than paying from your smasrtphone? You can use Credit Card NFC payments if you want tap to pay and enter your pin. That workflow is not much more difficult than using a smartphone. And if you prefer using a smartphone - well, don't complain that you have to use a smartphone to pay.
      - faust201 4mo ago
        Isnt the aim to remove dependency on Google/Apple? EU should have forced Google and Apple to allow people to use NFC pay without having Google or Apple accounts. If you talk about using NFC card. Yes, that is available. Nothing is difficult. Even cash is possible.

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yorwba 4mo ago

There are AFAIK no plans to completely remove the offline ID everyone is currently required to carry, so I doubt there will be similar rulings for EUDI as long as it remains an optional alternative for people who want to use online services.

faust201 4mo ago

Ideally they should have also told all German banks distribute or offer non-App based accounts or 2FA? But they did not. Also people are dependent on Play or App store. DB does not offer the app for direct download.

littlecranky67 4mo ago
Well for banks there is competition (and largeest german consumer bank - Deutsche Bank/Postbank offers a non-smartphone based authentication device [0]). Not so much for government run railway. [0]: https://www.postbank.de/privatkunden/services/online-banking/bestsign.html https://www.postbank.de/privatkunden/services/online-banking...
- faust201 4mo ago
  Many useful features like verified by visa or Google Pay or Apple pay is not available. If you are that anal then using railway does not need app. You can use a mobile browser or desktop. I have seen people show QR code from their computer too. For D-Ticket one can buy from one of the local transport associations - with Chip Card (I am using that).
  - littlecranky67 4mo ago
    What purpose does Apple Pay / Google Pay serve other than paying from your smasrtphone? You can use Credit Card NFC payments if you want tap to pay and enter your pin. That workflow is not much more difficult than using a smartphone. And if you prefer using a smartphone - well, don't complain that you have to use a smartphone to pay.
    - faust201 4mo ago
      Isnt the aim to remove dependency on Google/Apple? EU should have forced Google and Apple to allow people to use NFC pay without having Google or Apple accounts. If you talk about using NFC card. Yes, that is available. Nothing is difficult. Even cash is possible.