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> building a worse version of AWS just so that it is "European" makes no financial sense Unless it becomes necessary because of EU regulation?

by cjrp 3mo ago

ExoticPearTree 3mo ago
Hopefully not. This hate towards good technology and innovation because you don’t like the current president is ridiculous. He’ll be gone in two years or so and then we’ll get back to normal.
- jabwd 3mo ago
  Has nothing to do with Trump. Trump just made the need more obvious but these talks are not new.
- Boltgolt 3mo ago
  I heard this one a lot 6+ years ago
- pjmlp 3mo ago
  Wishful thinking at the early days of any autocratic government, until reality kicks in elections are only a ritual to pretend otherwise.
- psychoslave 3mo ago
  As things are moving, there's currently no garantee that Trump won't hold his promise US citizen will never have to vote again. And even if the bipartisan system make a small turn over, the issue is systemic.
- blitzar 3mo ago
  > This hate towards good technology and innovation Mine is to a collective people that vote in these people. I get that people can change, grow, evolve etc but I didnt trust a german for 60 years, I wont trust an american for at least a generation.
- surgical_fire 3mo ago
  I don't thing things are going back to the previous state of affairs after this.
- Tangurena2 3mo ago
  It isn't just Trump. The CLOUD Act basically gives Washington the power and ability to turn off any server operated by any US company at will/whim. The Wikipedia page only talks about stored data on (optionally foreign) servers without any sort of regard for the laws of the country where that server is located. It ignores the part of the statute where the feds can basically "turn off" that server. And that is the part that the EU is panicking over. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act
  - microtonal 3mo ago
    And they already did that. The chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court in The Hague was cut off Office 365 (and e-mail hosted through that), as well as credit cards and bank cards. This did send a shockwave through Europe.
    - ExoticPearTree 3mo ago
      To be fair, the ICC should not have existed in the first place. It was created to persecute the Serbs and then other people that were not liked by Europe mostly.
      - lyu07282 3mo ago
        and Africans predominantly that's why the AES withdrew from it too. But the Europeans were under the impression their vassal status would always be benefitting them against their former colonies in their neocolonial efforts. Trump made that whole arrangement cracking a little bit, but I still think it's mostly just the optics of it all they are still loyal servants. Nobody in Europe that matters gives a shit about Karim Khan or Francesca Albanese getting debanked and sanctioned, they would and love to do it themselves.
  - ExoticPearTree 3mo ago
    The same thing that any EU based company can be forced to by the country under which jurisdiction it operates. I don’t see what the problem is. That they actually used it first?
- CRConrad 3mo ago
  Well, if the technology were even all that good, maybe. (Also, "innovation" just for "innovation's" sake is stupid. Lots of new shit is just that: shit.) And no, him being gone in two years isn't all that much comfort. The problem is not just him, but the American people that elected him: The first time one could think it was a temporary aberration — 2016 was weird, what Brexit and all; maybe there was something in the water? Solar flares...? — but then they (you?) went and did it again in '24. It's not temporary any more.
jesterson 3mo ago
Can you mention a single decent product that came out "because of EU regulation"?
- yurishimo 3mo ago
  Hetzner seems to be a pretty good example. It wasn't solely because of EU regulation, but once GDPR made it a worthwhile investment to companies to segregate their data, European data centers have been growing steadily.
- cjrp 3mo ago
  I didn't say it would be decent, just that it might make financial sense.
- HatchedLake721 3mo ago
  iPhone with USB-C

> building a worse version of AWS just so that it is "European" makes no financial sense Unless it becomes necessary because of EU regulation?

by cjrp 3mo ago

> building a worse version of AWS just so that it is "European" makes no financial sense Unless it becomes necessary because of EU regulation?

ExoticPearTree 3mo ago

Hopefully not. This hate towards good technology and innovation because you don’t like the current president is ridiculous. He’ll be gone in two years or so and then we’ll get back to normal.

jabwd 3mo ago
Has nothing to do with Trump. Trump just made the need more obvious but these talks are not new.
Boltgolt 3mo ago
I heard this one a lot 6+ years ago
pjmlp 3mo ago
Wishful thinking at the early days of any autocratic government, until reality kicks in elections are only a ritual to pretend otherwise.
psychoslave 3mo ago
As things are moving, there's currently no garantee that Trump won't hold his promise US citizen will never have to vote again. And even if the bipartisan system make a small turn over, the issue is systemic.
blitzar 3mo ago
> This hate towards good technology and innovation Mine is to a collective people that vote in these people. I get that people can change, grow, evolve etc but I didnt trust a german for 60 years, I wont trust an american for at least a generation.
surgical_fire 3mo ago
I don't thing things are going back to the previous state of affairs after this.
Tangurena2 3mo ago
It isn't just Trump. The CLOUD Act basically gives Washington the power and ability to turn off any server operated by any US company at will/whim. The Wikipedia page only talks about stored data on (optionally foreign) servers without any sort of regard for the laws of the country where that server is located. It ignores the part of the statute where the feds can basically "turn off" that server. And that is the part that the EU is panicking over. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CLOUD_Act
- microtonal 3mo ago
  And they already did that. The chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court in The Hague was cut off Office 365 (and e-mail hosted through that), as well as credit cards and bank cards. This did send a shockwave through Europe.
  - ExoticPearTree 3mo ago
    To be fair, the ICC should not have existed in the first place. It was created to persecute the Serbs and then other people that were not liked by Europe mostly.
    - lyu07282 3mo ago
      and Africans predominantly that's why the AES withdrew from it too. But the Europeans were under the impression their vassal status would always be benefitting them against their former colonies in their neocolonial efforts. Trump made that whole arrangement cracking a little bit, but I still think it's mostly just the optics of it all they are still loyal servants. Nobody in Europe that matters gives a shit about Karim Khan or Francesca Albanese getting debanked and sanctioned, they would and love to do it themselves.
- ExoticPearTree 3mo ago
  The same thing that any EU based company can be forced to by the country under which jurisdiction it operates. I don’t see what the problem is. That they actually used it first?
CRConrad 3mo ago
Well, if the technology were even all that good, maybe. (Also, "innovation" just for "innovation's" sake is stupid. Lots of new shit is just that: shit.) And no, him being gone in two years isn't all that much comfort. The problem is not just him, but the American people that elected him: The first time one could think it was a temporary aberration — 2016 was weird, what Brexit and all; maybe there was something in the water? Solar flares...? — but then they (you?) went and did it again in '24. It's not temporary any more.

jesterson 3mo ago

Can you mention a single decent product that came out "because of EU regulation"?

yurishimo 3mo ago
Hetzner seems to be a pretty good example. It wasn't solely because of EU regulation, but once GDPR made it a worthwhile investment to companies to segregate their data, European data centers have been growing steadily.
cjrp 3mo ago
I didn't say it would be decent, just that it might make financial sense.
HatchedLake721 3mo ago
iPhone with USB-C