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As other comments have implied, but not explicitly said, they do their own engineering already with what they have. Since materials can be scarce and inconsist

As other comments have implied, but not explicitly said, they do their own engineering already with what they have. Since materials can be scarce and inconsistent, much of it is improvised. That in no way diminishes their efforts, results, or knowledge. If anything, that's way more impressive. Lots of engineers in the first world will throw a tantrum if they can't have things exactly their way and probably still make something that doesn't work as well. Entire businesses have shit their pants and gone bankrupt the moment a part is discontinued. Trying to do better than the people who live there is not only arrogant, but it's own variation of Chesterton's Fence. EDIT: I can't help myself and have to post an engineerguy video. It's too important of a topic to not drive this point home crystal clear by someone who is far more respected than me. "Building a Cathedral without Science or Mathematics: The Engineering Method Explained" https://youtube.com/watch?v=_ivqWN4L3zU https://youtube.com/watch?v=_ivqWN4L3zU

2b3a51 3mo ago
Over here in the UK I've seen some pretty original bicycle adaptation with electric motors and even a 2 stroke engine added to aid propulsion. In India there is a word for this kind of thing Jugaad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jugaad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jugaad
samuell 3mo ago
As someone who has spent some time in sub-saharan Africa, I can tell you that there is lots that can be done if just seeing the possibilities. Not everyone everywhere are "engineering oriented", and having people with the skills and eye for practical solutions based on available materials, can help tons, and also open up people's imagination for what can be done. In fact, this goes for northern Europe too, just that more people can manage without home-built solutions and can "buy away the problem" here. Also, people where immensely thankful e.g. when my quite clever and crafty father managed to repair a water tank tower that'd been broken for months and years, by sourcing some local material, coming up with a repair design, and having local welders create it, etc etc.
- sublinear 3mo ago
  I've never been to sub-saharan Africa, but I did grow up broke enough to be on the receiving end of people with good intentions. I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, but the realities of a situation guided by those who more deeply understand it can very quickly prune the possibilities that an engineer sees. Many engineers would just get frustrated and give up. Many leaders would become impatient with those engineers. I think to get people's heads out of the clouds and produce real results requires a very special kind of engineer. That is most likely going to be someone local, not an outsider. One can definitely help on the education side of things for the locals, but I'm not convinced that's where the real problems are. It's more likely political and economic. Not even the best engineers in the world are going to solve that.
nchmy 3mo ago
I suspect you've never spent any meaningful amount of time in the local environments, or you wouldn't have made this comment. As I elaborated on in another comment, it is commonplace to find that people who have little to no education and resources are missing countless opportunities to implement simple improvements to almost everything. This mindset of "locals know best" is, frankly, toxic. (just think about the locals wherever you live to see how incompetent they are as well) What is needed is genuine collaboration and communication between people living in whatever situation and others who are fortunate to have more access to information, resources, education on critical thinking etc...
- sublinear 3mo ago
  > This mindset of "locals know best" is, frankly, toxic. (just think about the locals wherever you live to see how incompetent they are as well) [...] others who are fortunate to have more access to information, resources, education on critical thinking etc... This is insane.
  - nchmy 3mo ago
    Care to elaborate? (and not cut out the most important context from my comment)
    - AnthonyMouse 3mo ago
      The trouble with your premise is that it doesn't just apply to local people, it applies to people in general. Incompetence is all around us. Notice that everyone is a local in the place where they live. But local people at least have the benefit of knowing their own situations, which puts them ahead of some other rando who doesn't even have that and presumes to know better.
      - nchmy 3mo ago
        And hence, AS I SAID, people should collaboratively work together. There's no presumption - despite you recognizing that incompetence is all around us, you'd be amazed at how many completely obvious things are not done, and other things done very poorly

2b3a51 3mo ago

Over here in the UK I've seen some pretty original bicycle adaptation with electric motors and even a 2 stroke engine added to aid propulsion. In India there is a word for this kind of thing Jugaad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jugaad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jugaad

samuell 3mo ago

As someone who has spent some time in sub-saharan Africa, I can tell you that there is lots that can be done if just seeing the possibilities. Not everyone everywhere are "engineering oriented", and having people with the skills and eye for practical solutions based on available materials, can help tons, and also open up people's imagination for what can be done. In fact, this goes for northern Europe too, just that more people can manage without home-built solutions and can "buy away the problem" here. Also, people where immensely thankful e.g. when my quite clever and crafty father managed to repair a water tank tower that'd been broken for months and years, by sourcing some local material, coming up with a repair design, and having local welders create it, etc etc.

sublinear 3mo ago
I've never been to sub-saharan Africa, but I did grow up broke enough to be on the receiving end of people with good intentions. I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, but the realities of a situation guided by those who more deeply understand it can very quickly prune the possibilities that an engineer sees. Many engineers would just get frustrated and give up. Many leaders would become impatient with those engineers. I think to get people's heads out of the clouds and produce real results requires a very special kind of engineer. That is most likely going to be someone local, not an outsider. One can definitely help on the education side of things for the locals, but I'm not convinced that's where the real problems are. It's more likely political and economic. Not even the best engineers in the world are going to solve that.

nchmy 3mo ago

I suspect you've never spent any meaningful amount of time in the local environments, or you wouldn't have made this comment. As I elaborated on in another comment, it is commonplace to find that people who have little to no education and resources are missing countless opportunities to implement simple improvements to almost everything. This mindset of "locals know best" is, frankly, toxic. (just think about the locals wherever you live to see how incompetent they are as well) What is needed is genuine collaboration and communication between people living in whatever situation and others who are fortunate to have more access to information, resources, education on critical thinking etc...

sublinear 3mo ago
> This mindset of "locals know best" is, frankly, toxic. (just think about the locals wherever you live to see how incompetent they are as well) [...] others who are fortunate to have more access to information, resources, education on critical thinking etc... This is insane.
- nchmy 3mo ago
  Care to elaborate? (and not cut out the most important context from my comment)
  - AnthonyMouse 3mo ago
    The trouble with your premise is that it doesn't just apply to local people, it applies to people in general. Incompetence is all around us. Notice that everyone is a local in the place where they live. But local people at least have the benefit of knowing their own situations, which puts them ahead of some other rando who doesn't even have that and presumes to know better.
    - nchmy 3mo ago
      And hence, AS I SAID, people should collaboratively work together. There's no presumption - despite you recognizing that incompetence is all around us, you'd be amazed at how many completely obvious things are not done, and other things done very poorly