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Queensland Australia, a single state moved away from it. It is glorious.

tristanj 4mo ago
https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/australia/brisbane https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/australia/brisbane Queensland Australia is relatively close to the equator, and the length of day does not change dramatically between summer and winter. DST is intended for places at higher latitudes.
- toxik 4mo ago
  No, it is intended for a small band of places where the latitude is big enough to make winter and summer daytime length significantly different, but not so different that DST does nothing. In Sweden, with DST, the sunrise is at 4am in summer and 8am in winter. Just set it so noon is actually noon.
  - tristanj 4mo ago
    > In Sweden, with DST, the sunrise is at 4am in summer and 8am in winter. In Sweden, in summer without DST, sunrise in Stockholm would happen ~2:30 AM. In the current system, with DST, sunrise happens around 3:30 AM, an improvement. In winter, if Sweden kept permanent DST (which is what many advocate for), sunrise in December would happen at around 9:45 AM. In the current system (shifting time back during winter), it happens around 8:45 AM, a more reasonable time. You realize you're literally proving my point? > Just set it so noon is actually noon. Pretty meaningless to advocate for this, then every longitude would have its own timezone, defeating the purpose of timezones.
    - toxik 4mo ago
      Well, you certainly got a combative tone. I don't care if it's 8:45 or 9:45, it is what it is. You don't get more or fewer hours of sun, it's dark when you go to work, it's dark when you get home from work. With DST. Noon at noon is pretty much what the time zones are aiming for, yes.
      - tristanj 4mo ago
        > You don't get more or fewer hours of sun Technically correct but false in practice. DST shifts sunlight hours to when people tend to be awake, giving the average person more hours of sun per day. Sun received while asleep is not useful.
- reedf1 4mo ago
  You've said this repeatedly, but it is largely not true.
  - tristanj 4mo ago
    Elaborate. The intent of DST is to normalize variations in the time of sunrise between summer and winter. Places closer to the equator have minimal variation in the time of sunrise between seasons. They don't need DST. Higher latitudes have large variation (i.e. Seattle, where the time of sunrise shifts between 4am in summer to 8am in winter), so they benefit from DST or summer/winter hours. DST is one of the simplest implementations of seasonal hours on a regional scale.
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    - reedf1 4mo ago
      What people usually mean by abolishing DST is permanent summer hours. If your problem was sunrise timing, then problem solved - DST actually moves that earlier than you require twice a year for normal working hours (i.e. less sun in the evenings). Source: my own high latitude life.
      - tristanj 4mo ago
        Abolishing DST for permanent summer hours don't address the winter sunrise issue. Under permanent DST, the sun rises around 9 AM in December in Seattle. That's far too late. I, and millions of other people, do not want to wake up 2 hours before sunrise and drive to work in the dark. Under the current system (DST reverts back during winter), sunrise is shifted an hour earlier to around 8AM, which is manageable. I don't have to drive to work in the dark. https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/seattle https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/seattle
        reedf1 4mo ago
        I guess you're fine commuting home in the dark? But regardless, you can navigate without light an hour before sunrise.
- worthless-trash 4mo ago
  Queensland may be, but Brisbane is not relatively close to the equator. Its 27 degrees. Tip of cape york is 10 degrees, thats a pretty big difference. It can be dark in Brisbane and still light at my parents house near cape york.
  - devilbunny 4mo ago
    Cape York is also 10 degrees west of Brisbane. That alone gets sunset 40 minutes later even if you stay at the same latitude.
    - worthless-trash 4mo ago
      I feel like its.. much longer than 40 minutes.

https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/australia/brisbane https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/australia/brisbane Queensland Australia is relatively close to the equator, and the length of day does not change dramatically between summer and winter. DST is intended for places at higher latitudes.

toxik 4mo ago
No, it is intended for a small band of places where the latitude is big enough to make winter and summer daytime length significantly different, but not so different that DST does nothing. In Sweden, with DST, the sunrise is at 4am in summer and 8am in winter. Just set it so noon is actually noon.
- tristanj 4mo ago
  > In Sweden, with DST, the sunrise is at 4am in summer and 8am in winter. In Sweden, in summer without DST, sunrise in Stockholm would happen ~2:30 AM. In the current system, with DST, sunrise happens around 3:30 AM, an improvement. In winter, if Sweden kept permanent DST (which is what many advocate for), sunrise in December would happen at around 9:45 AM. In the current system (shifting time back during winter), it happens around 8:45 AM, a more reasonable time. You realize you're literally proving my point? > Just set it so noon is actually noon. Pretty meaningless to advocate for this, then every longitude would have its own timezone, defeating the purpose of timezones.
  - toxik 4mo ago
    Well, you certainly got a combative tone. I don't care if it's 8:45 or 9:45, it is what it is. You don't get more or fewer hours of sun, it's dark when you go to work, it's dark when you get home from work. With DST. Noon at noon is pretty much what the time zones are aiming for, yes.
    - tristanj 4mo ago
      > You don't get more or fewer hours of sun Technically correct but false in practice. DST shifts sunlight hours to when people tend to be awake, giving the average person more hours of sun per day. Sun received while asleep is not useful.
reedf1 4mo ago
You've said this repeatedly, but it is largely not true.
- tristanj 4mo ago
  Elaborate. The intent of DST is to normalize variations in the time of sunrise between summer and winter. Places closer to the equator have minimal variation in the time of sunrise between seasons. They don't need DST. Higher latitudes have large variation (i.e. Seattle, where the time of sunrise shifts between 4am in summer to 8am in winter), so they benefit from DST or summer/winter hours. DST is one of the simplest implementations of seasonal hours on a regional scale.
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  - reedf1 4mo ago
    What people usually mean by abolishing DST is permanent summer hours. If your problem was sunrise timing, then problem solved - DST actually moves that earlier than you require twice a year for normal working hours (i.e. less sun in the evenings). Source: my own high latitude life.
    - tristanj 4mo ago
      Abolishing DST for permanent summer hours don't address the winter sunrise issue. Under permanent DST, the sun rises around 9 AM in December in Seattle. That's far too late. I, and millions of other people, do not want to wake up 2 hours before sunrise and drive to work in the dark. Under the current system (DST reverts back during winter), sunrise is shifted an hour earlier to around 8AM, which is manageable. I don't have to drive to work in the dark. https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/seattle https://www.timeanddate.com/sun/usa/seattle
      - reedf1 4mo ago
        I guess you're fine commuting home in the dark? But regardless, you can navigate without light an hour before sunrise.
worthless-trash 4mo ago
Queensland may be, but Brisbane is not relatively close to the equator. Its 27 degrees. Tip of cape york is 10 degrees, thats a pretty big difference. It can be dark in Brisbane and still light at my parents house near cape york.
- devilbunny 4mo ago
  Cape York is also 10 degrees west of Brisbane. That alone gets sunset 40 minutes later even if you stay at the same latitude.
  - worthless-trash 4mo ago
    I feel like its.. much longer than 40 minutes.