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It may have been self defense in the moment, but he also went out there looking for trouble and found it.

s1artibartfast 4mo ago
That is a far cry from murder and someone shouldnt carry a gun unless they are willing to use it. Inversely, someone shouldnt attack someone unless they accept the chance of death or harm.
- TurdF3rguson 4mo ago
  I didn't say it was murder, I made the concession about self-defense, didn't I? A nice concession from you might be to admit that kids on your side maybe shouldn't attend protests with intention to do harm. That's basically where right and left don't see eye to eye on this.
  - s1artibartfast 3mo ago
    Yeah I agree people should not go to protests with the objective to harm or destroy. I dont think that is really the major party dividing line tho. I dont think most of the right thinks they went there with intention to harm, but to "defend". I also think many people on the "left" take issue with someone putting themselved in a situation that could require lethal self defense, particularly over property.
    - TurdF3rguson 3mo ago
      If someone on the left killed right wing protestors that person would not be treated like a celebrity. The reason why not is simply that violence isn't celebrated on the left like it is on the right. With the exception of Luigi and I think that's more generational than left vs right.
      - s1artibartfast 3mo ago
        In the interest of shedding light, not fire - I dont think the right view the deceased as protesters. They view them as attempted murderers and people destorying their community. I think this is fundamental and explains a lot. I think if you reversed the roles, you would get much the same reaction. Lets say you get some militia marching in the street, lighting cars on fire, vandalizing schools and businesses. Then one of the marchers chases down a counter protesters saying "im going to kill you", corners them, but gets blasted. I think there would be a lot of rallying around the shooter if people wanted to try them for murder. People would say they were just taking out the trash and the deceased FAFO'ed.
stale2002 4mo ago
If it was illegal to go somewhere "lookin for trouble" I think that you would see a whole lot of people arrested from certain groups that you likely wouldn't want to be in prison.
- TurdF3rguson 4mo ago
  I already made the self-defense concession. I'm just hoping for a "he's not a hero" concession from your side.
  - stale2002 3mo ago
    Counter protesting people who are destroying a community seems like a perfectly laudable goal to me. He certainly wasn't expecting to have to shoot someone, but that's the case for most examples of self defense.
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That is a far cry from murder and someone shouldnt carry a gun unless they are willing to use it. Inversely, someone shouldnt attack someone unless they accept the chance of death or harm.

TurdF3rguson 4mo ago
I didn't say it was murder, I made the concession about self-defense, didn't I? A nice concession from you might be to admit that kids on your side maybe shouldn't attend protests with intention to do harm. That's basically where right and left don't see eye to eye on this.
- s1artibartfast 3mo ago
  Yeah I agree people should not go to protests with the objective to harm or destroy. I dont think that is really the major party dividing line tho. I dont think most of the right thinks they went there with intention to harm, but to "defend". I also think many people on the "left" take issue with someone putting themselved in a situation that could require lethal self defense, particularly over property.
  - TurdF3rguson 3mo ago
    If someone on the left killed right wing protestors that person would not be treated like a celebrity. The reason why not is simply that violence isn't celebrated on the left like it is on the right. With the exception of Luigi and I think that's more generational than left vs right.
    - s1artibartfast 3mo ago
      In the interest of shedding light, not fire - I dont think the right view the deceased as protesters. They view them as attempted murderers and people destorying their community. I think this is fundamental and explains a lot. I think if you reversed the roles, you would get much the same reaction. Lets say you get some militia marching in the street, lighting cars on fire, vandalizing schools and businesses. Then one of the marchers chases down a counter protesters saying "im going to kill you", corners them, but gets blasted. I think there would be a lot of rallying around the shooter if people wanted to try them for murder. People would say they were just taking out the trash and the deceased FAFO'ed.

stale2002 4mo ago

If it was illegal to go somewhere "lookin for trouble" I think that you would see a whole lot of people arrested from certain groups that you likely wouldn't want to be in prison.

TurdF3rguson 4mo ago
I already made the self-defense concession. I'm just hoping for a "he's not a hero" concession from your side.
- stale2002 3mo ago
  Counter protesting people who are destroying a community seems like a perfectly laudable goal to me. He certainly wasn't expecting to have to shoot someone, but that's the case for most examples of self defense.

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