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>your actions didn't amount to a crime >it is still a crime Pardon me, but effin what? Ah yes. There's a word for it. You're literally calling for prosecuti

by alterom 3mo ago

>your actions didn't amount to a crime >it is still a crime Pardon me, but effin what? Ah yes. There's a word for it. You're literally calling for prosecuting thoughtcrimes. Good job, making Orwell proud.

bawolff 3mo ago
If you take an action in the real world it is no longer a thought crime.
- alterom 3mo ago
  >think of a crime >take an action in the real world (not a crime) >it's a crime You're not make it any better, you're just repeating your desire to prosecute thoughtcrimes. "Your honor, he wanted the President dead and he breathed! That's an action in the real world! Off with his head!" By your logic putting a pin in a voodoo doll is a crime. I implore you, abscond and perish promptly with such twisted cognizance of justice.
  - bawolff 3mo ago
    To be clear, by action i mean an action the person believes would result in the crime in question occuring. > your desire I don't think it's my desire. I'm pretty sure i'm just describing how our legal system actually works. And if you think this is bad, go look up the requirements for a conspiracy charge which are even less than this.
    - jeffbee 3mo ago
      Yes but, again for clarification, for the specific infraction that is obstruction of justice there has to have been some possibility that the action taken or intended could have or did actually obstruct justice. There government must prove "a nexus between the defendant’s conduct and a particular official proceeding before a judge or court of the United States".
      - bawolff 3mo ago
        Yes fair point, although i think in this case that would be pretty trivial to prove.
    - alterom 3mo ago
      >To be clear, by action i mean an action the person believes would result in the crime in question occuring. ....like putting a needle in a voodoo doll, fully believing it will result in the death of a person it represents. >I'm pretty sure i'm just describing how our legal system actually works. FIY, I just intentionally put a needle through your voodoo doll, fully believing it will result in your untimely death. You might want to report me for attempted murder, and find out the defense between how our legal system actually works, and how you wish it worked. If you're still reading this, I'm willing to repeat the above real world action of stabbing your voodoo doll as many times as it is necessary for it to work, in the presence of witnesses. You're welcome. >And if you think this is bad This is not just bad, it's insane. I'm not going to switch to another subject (conspiracy charges).

by alterom 3mo ago

bawolff 3mo ago

If you take an action in the real world it is no longer a thought crime.

alterom 3mo ago
>think of a crime >take an action in the real world (not a crime) >it's a crime You're not make it any better, you're just repeating your desire to prosecute thoughtcrimes. "Your honor, he wanted the President dead and he breathed! That's an action in the real world! Off with his head!" By your logic putting a pin in a voodoo doll is a crime. I implore you, abscond and perish promptly with such twisted cognizance of justice.
- bawolff 3mo ago
  To be clear, by action i mean an action the person believes would result in the crime in question occuring. > your desire I don't think it's my desire. I'm pretty sure i'm just describing how our legal system actually works. And if you think this is bad, go look up the requirements for a conspiracy charge which are even less than this.
  - jeffbee 3mo ago
    Yes but, again for clarification, for the specific infraction that is obstruction of justice there has to have been some possibility that the action taken or intended could have or did actually obstruct justice. There government must prove "a nexus between the defendant’s conduct and a particular official proceeding before a judge or court of the United States".
    - bawolff 3mo ago
      Yes fair point, although i think in this case that would be pretty trivial to prove.
  - alterom 3mo ago
    >To be clear, by action i mean an action the person believes would result in the crime in question occuring. ....like putting a needle in a voodoo doll, fully believing it will result in the death of a person it represents. >I'm pretty sure i'm just describing how our legal system actually works. FIY, I just intentionally put a needle through your voodoo doll, fully believing it will result in your untimely death. You might want to report me for attempted murder, and find out the defense between how our legal system actually works, and how you wish it worked. If you're still reading this, I'm willing to repeat the above real world action of stabbing your voodoo doll as many times as it is necessary for it to work, in the presence of witnesses. You're welcome. >And if you think this is bad This is not just bad, it's insane. I'm not going to switch to another subject (conspiracy charges).